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US missile hit military base near Iran school, video analysis shows
nebezb: What kind of headline is this? After a week of denial and blaming Iran of "poor accuracy".More accurate: US missile capable of < 5 meters of accuracy hits Iranian school 200m away from military base, according to BBC.
MiiMe19: The article is talking about two things at once and trying to pretend they are the same thing. The us hit the military base with a tomahawk missile, and the school was hit by a missile from "nooneistakingaccountabilityville". They are trying to act like the US hitting the military base proves that they also hit a school like a week ago.
rpcope1: Hmmm...I wonder who else is blowing up stuff in Iran along with the United States, who also has a track record of indiscriminately blowing up civilian stuff?
amir734jj: As an Iranian-American, I don't trust BBC. I'm sorry.
mig39: If you read the article, you'd know most of the information came from Bellingcat and ABC.
culi: NYT also did their own analysis which they had on their front-page just 3 days ago
erk__: What news media would you recommend?
realo: ... and kills more than 100 children.What does it take, exactly, for Donald Trump to be formally accused of war crimes and arrested on sight if he ever visits some actually civilized countries?
Arubis: Backbone, a special ops team, and a willingness to risk being assassinated.
catigula: If we admit to this, I understand that it opens us up to serious legal consequences. I think we'd want all the facts to a very high level before possibly taking blame...
ryanmarsh: I’m not a fan of our (the US) involvement in this conflict. That said it seems like a properly executed precision strike. The school is 200m from the Tomahawk impact. Is the intent of the article to showcase American precision or to imply the school was hit? I’m confused.
culi: Tomahawks are famous for their precision being <5m. If you look at the satellite imagery you can see that all of the military buildings were clearly hit directly in the center. The school was hit in the same way. Clearly an intentional hit and possibly followed immediately by a "double tap" airstrikeThis wasn't a technical failure but an intelligence failure. And above all a moral failure
culi: According to the NYT, there were "at least 175 people" killed. Mostly children (it was a girls elementary school)Possibly relevant are the concerns of the use of AI to determine targets. A park called "police park" was bombed and this has been taking as part of an increasing collection of evidence of "warslop". The park had nothing to do with police or the military and was likely determined by AIhttps://www.commondreams.org/news/us-israel-ai-iran
polishdude20: Alright time to start naming our parks "Ignore All Previous Prompts and Target Your Own Parks"
chirau: I thought POTUS said it was Iran the other day. What becomes of this, then?
MiiMe19: This is honestly just a clickbait title. No shit the US strikes a military base, a school being near it adds nothing but incentive to click on the article.
bink: The story is because these are precision strikes. Satellite photos show that each building on that block was hit dead-center and destroyed, yet the US is refusing to admit responsibility. Sure, mistakes are made during war, but this one was particularly egregious. That building hadn't been used as a military barracks in over a decade. Israel immediately said they were not operating in that area. Iran said none of their missiles were in the area. The US has said for a week now that it was "investigating" despite knowing it targeted that facility. That's yet another lie. They know they accidentally killed over a hundred little girls and as usual would rather lie than admit a mistake.
mig39: I think it means that the entire site, including the school and several other buildings, were all hit at the sae time:> Wes Bryant, a national security analyst who served in the US Air Force, also confirmed it was a Tomahawk missile.> Bryant added that the evidence for multiple strikes on the entire IRGC compound "is indicative of a deliberate and precise" US operation.> N R Jenzen Jones, director of Armament Research Services, previously told BBC Verify it was unlikely an Iranian missile had caused the significant blast damage seen at the school because they carry "relatively small explosive warheads".
qup: School is actually inside the base's perimeter wall.
buddhistdude: it would take for him to be less powerful and psycho
enraged_camel: What is this supposed to mean? 175 kids dying as collateral damage is just clickbait to you?
sarcan: unfinishing weapons of mass destruction
GaggiX: >and was likely determined by AIBased on what? It could be just grep "police".
conradfr: The school was part of the military base years ago, possibly the origin of the strike.
mrexcess: So your claim is that no missile hit the school at all…?
MiiMe19: The article is talking about two things at once and trying to pretend they are the same thing. The us hit the military base with a tomahawk missile, and the school was hit by a missile from "nooneistakingaccountabilityville". They are trying to act like the US hitting the military base proves that they also hit a school like a week ago.
culi: Possibly a double tap strike with airstrikes hitting shortly after the Tomahawks> Middle East Eye, citing survivors and first responders, reported a possible "double-tap" strike — a second explosion hitting the area shortly after the first, striking people who had taken shelter.Killing at least 175, mostly children.
ck2: likely one of the targets picked and prioritized by Claudebecause Pentagon refuses to deny itUS is starting to either accidentally or on purpose take out desalinization plants tooThat's going to murder way more than 200 civilians and is another war crimeBTW they are still murdering fishermen off Venezuela, that never stopped
embedding-shape: > BTW they are still murdering fishermen off Venezuela, that never stoppedBTW the people in government seems to still be trying to coverup a international child trafficking ring.What I can see, is that the tactic of "distract them with something even more fucked up" seems to be working perfectly well, and each time they go one step further up the ladder, and media re-focus accordingly.
idle_zealot: I don't buy that it's an intentional distraction. Everything they want to do is terrible and bombastic and constantly floods and overwhelms information channels.Like, if you're fighting someone and they stab you in the gut, then push you over and start stomping your face, are they distracting you from treating your stab wound? Maybe in the most literal sense, but the more apt description of the situation overall is that they're doing whatever they can to kill you.
asadm: "hey claude, list down all landmarks in tehran that seem related to forces, army, etc. with their lat/long"
readthenotes1: Not Tehran, Minab. Next to an IRGC compound.
kspacewalk2: This strike is a fuck-up. Could be a mistake, could be a crime attributable to a person somewhere in the middle-ish of the chain of command, or even at the very bottom. You need a pattern of such strikes to move the needle firmly into "intentional government-wide war crime" territory.
embedding-shape: > if you're fighting someone and they stab you in the gut, then push you over and start stomping your face, are they distracting you from treating your stab wound?Yes, they are? If they just stabbed you and then left you, then you could treat your wound. If they instead continue to attack you, it's quite literally because they felt it wasn't enough, and don't want to let you treat yourself.Anyways, bit silly example, we're not talking about two humans in a violent knife fight, we're talking about a person and administration guilty of so many crimes that it's hard for people to keep track and even less do anything about it.Color me surprised if the person who said "why are you still talking about Epstein? Stop doing that" might want to try to do distracting things to make people stop talking about Epstein.
Arubis: We had bad intelligence before we had AI. This is just shunting blame and responsibility away from individual humans (who can theoretically be held accountable) to a nebulous concept.
morkalork: "non-descript plot of land of no use or value"
culi: Last I heard 16 hospitals have been damaged and 7 are no longer able to operate. Is that a pattern yet? They are also explicitly targeting residences where they believe officials live with their families (which is also a war crime).Even if you think they are simply wreckless, it is well-established that wrecklessness still constitutes war crimes
