Discussion

joshstrange: Very glad to see this finally happen. It's been in the rumors for a while now that Ternus would be the next CEO but the timeline was uncertain.I'm interested to see what Ternus' first few moves are and how much he will avoid (or hopefully embrace) reversing some of the things Cook is responsible for.He has a long row to hoe when it comes to things like developer relations but from what I've heard, he is one of the best options we had for the next CEO.

ignoramous: > interested to see what Ternus' first few moves areAs it happens with most big corp c-suite transitions (see: Amazon), a lot of the powerful executives will have to make way for the new CEO's chosen ones, and what those chosen few do (in lieu of asserting new found power) will dictate the short-term.

walterbell: [delayed]

doctoboggan: I know the rumors were swirling for the past few months, but just 4 more months of Cook seems like pretty short notice, no?

Tyrubias: Tim Cook’s experience in logistics built Apple into the global hegemon it is today. I hope John Ternus’s experience with hardware can kick off a renaissance in both Apple hardware and software design. Mind you, Apple hardware is already amazing, but hopefully it can be even better with Ternus at the helm. Apple software is terrible, and hopefully Ternus can turn that around. I’m also hoping, without any evidence, that maybe a change in leadership will change how Apple participates in US politics.

Fr0styMatt88: Curious as an outsider what you mean with US politics? Seems like Apple has a pretty strong stance when it comes to things like privacy that pushes back on some things (that could be smoke and mirrors though I guess).

valleyer: Start here: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/08/07/tim-...

baal80spam: If you think Ternus wouldn't do it, you are in for a bad time.

smeeth: I'm quite curious what Tim Cook's legacy will end up being.There is no question many of Apple's business experienced significant, impressive growth during his tenure. Amazing capital efficiency.There is also no question Apple lost product velocity. Few new products were launched, and those that were had mixed success.Tim was, at the end of the day, an elite financial operator. Apple shareholders were lucky to have him. Customers like myself probably have mixed opinions, and it remains to be seen how he set the company up for the future.

oldnetguy: His legacy is he used Apple to help build China into a technological powerhouse.

baal80spam: I can name some terrible software, but it wouldn't be Apple's.

thimabi: I don’t closely follow the news about Apple and now I’m wondering why they decided to go forward with this change at this moment.As the world undergoes increasing supply chain issues, wouldn’t it be in Apple’s best interest to keep Tim Cook as CEO for a while? Or is he the one who’s looking to transition to a less demanding position?

al_borland: I’m curious Ternus’ views on services and the heavy hand Cook has had with them. I’d like to see Apple chill out a bit. Have them, but stop pestering users with in-OS ads and notifications to sign up. It’s been very off putting and cheapens the platform.

gopheryourshelf: Apple's headquarters The Ring made under Tim Cook represents what Apple today is . Kissing the Ring of Trump

ykl: I'm really hopeful about John Ternus stepping into the CEO role. Pretty much everything he's done leading Apple's hardware engineering has been an enormous unqualified success, and for a company like Apple, having hardware lead the company seems like the right step.

didip: wow… I didn’t expect this. My guess would have been after the current administration.Why so soon?

nalekberov: If Apple really wants to keep their long term users in its ecosystem, it should really drop stupid Liquid glass design, stop making macOS look like its mobile OSs, and bring skeuomorphism back, which was removed by John Ive.

spockz: I disagree. They should bring quality back before reintroducing more changes. Okay, maybe that means dropping Liquid Glass. But also readopt the HIG. Increase stability and performance and reduce attack vector.

oofbaroomf: Wow. Hopefully, Ternus will bring what he brought to Apple's hardware to their software. The hardware is leaps and bounds ahead of anything else, but their software gets worse and worse every generation. I'm glad to hear this.

foobiekr: Hardware people, in my very direct experience, are terrible at software. But we can hope.

trsohmers: Software people, in my very direct experience, are terrible at hardware... While in jest, I do think most software engineer's understanding of hardware abstractions is pretty poor and does disservice to the hardware they run on.I know between Moore's Law and Gate's Law which one I would prefer to be the industry standard... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_and_Bill%27s_law

tchalla: > Under Cook’s leadership Apple has grown from a market capitalization of approximately $350 billion to $4 trillion, representing a more than 1,000% increase, and yearly revenue has nearly quadrupled, from $108 billion in fiscal year 2011 to more than $416 billion in fiscal year 2025.Quite successful.

basisword: Given how quickly Cook had to step in for jobs, first in the interim role, four months seems like plenty of time (particularly given he's still executive chairman).

thereitgoes456: I admire how Tim Cook participates in US politics. He is doing the most while giving the least. I would do the same in his position, he is making the best of a difficult situation, and it is his duty to protect his company and employees.Giving a golden statue of Trump has no effect on you and me, and a very large effect on Trump. He is gaining significant political capital while giving up nothing that matters (feel free to correct if I am wrong). Contrast with every other tech executive, lawyer, and university dean in America, most of whom have been cowed into compromising on their deepest values, or even worse, have done so without hesitation. I cannot think of many tech execs whom history will be kinder towards.

mcmcmc: [delayed]

btown: Ternus recently gave an interview where he said this about the initial flop of Apple Maps:> “When we started out with maps, it was an ambitious undertaking. It was bumpy,” said Ternus. “But the team had just been over the years just pushing and pushing and pushing. And Apple Maps today is absolutely amazing. If you have the vision and you're persistent and you keep working at it, you can take something you know that has a rocky start and turn it into something great.”Here's hoping he recognizes that Apple's current generation of software is in the "rocky start" phase, not the "pushing and pushing" phase and definitely not the "absolutely amazing" phase. Time will tell...https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/apples-joz-and-ternus-on...

fckgw: Apple Maps is pretty fantastic

MPSimmons: So, John Apple?

w10-1: His letter (at the top of Apple's web site) is moving: https://www.apple.com/community-letter-from-tim/ I understand Tim is a logistics genius and Ternus is a hardware genius, and that we all want better software and policy from Apple, but I'm glad that there seems to be good people at the head of one of the biggest and most consequential companies, and further that they seem to care about being good people.As far as I can see, that's the only way to have a prayer of scaling without too much damage, which is the key issue humanity faces today.

tmp10423288442: @dang can we fix this to mention John Ternus becoming CEO

ahmedfromtunis: When Cook took over, people expected him to fail.I don't think even Steve Jobs would've been able to imagine that Apple can get this big.

tencentshill: Is the loyalty represented by the golden trophy transferrable? Or is it tied to each CEO, like Applecare+?

pupppet: I'm glad someone mentioned this.

freedomben: Generally speaking, I think both are true. Most people seem to have an affinity for either hardware or software, but rarely for both. Those who do are extremely unique. I don't mean that as an insult to anyone, just as an observatin having worked in both (and personally am much better at software than hardware, even though I enjoy both).

LarsDu88: Probably didn't want to sit through any more executive kowtow meetings with the Orange Man

hei-lima: Apple’s software is the best in the non-free software world compared to Google's or Microsoft's, IMO. But that doesn't mean it can't be better.

lunarboy: oh the horror stories I've heard from friends at Apple. Don't think I've heard anyone who writes tests at Apple

nateb2022: $AAPL down almost 1% after-market on this news

platevoltage: That is not terribly significant at all.

Congeec: Best in terms of what? Quality Control? UI/UX?

drowntoge: To me, Tim Cook has turned Apple into a company that is both “doing amazingly well” and “in urgent need of a radical change in direction” at the same time.We’ll see how the new CEO sees it.

Gagarin1917: Tim must have wanted to enjoy 4/20 without worrying about company drug testing.

danielrhodes: I think Tim Cook took Steve Job's vision and really took it to the moon. If you think about the last 15 years, Apple really became the biggest possible version of itself without losing its values.Tech in general has changed quite a bit. I don't know how Steve Jobs would have reacted to AI, and I don't know where tech itself would be if Jobs were still around. But I do think the next evolution is due and yet to be seen. It's not clear that Tim Cook would be the one to effectively see that through. And so I think his timing is impeccable and probably aligned with what is good for Apple. I have a lot of respect here: time has shown that a lot of leaders don't let go until its too late.

pharos92: Saying Apple Software is 'terrible' is a blatant hyperbole. Has it degraded meaningfully over the last decade in terms of stability? Yes. Has it's capability increased though? Yes. Has it become more secure by design? Yes. Is the UX better than anything else in market? By a country mile.

xyst: At least John has an engineering background, been with company for couple decades and not some private equity/hedge fund/wannabe Steve Jobs visionary douchebag.Personally, I have lost all interest in Apple and been slowly switching off their hw/sw/saas for some time.

cogman10: I find both interesting but have been working in software for over a decade now.Honestly, the thing that pushed me into software dev was the fact that hardware tools were absolutely garbage. Verilog felt like a joke of a language designed to torment rather than help the user.

elzbardico: To be honest, a lot of industry analysts were skeptical of Jobs' second coming. And when he did a deal with Microsoft, most of them thought they were right in their initial pessimism.Over the time I developed the instinct to not take pundit's opinions too seriously.

apazzolini: > Apple's software is the best in the [category of shit software]

bigyabai: XCode, Apple Music, Siri, Apple Maps, The App Store, Finder, Safari, Spotlight, iCloud...I'd need another hand to fully count all the Apple apps that have burned me in the past.

soapdog: Can we add Photos to that list? Can we add it twice cause it is that bad.

bigyabai: I'll add it once, we need a donor hand to tally the iOS and WatchOS versions.

coro_1: Not necessarily UI / UX - the entire preferences -> settings change remains the best example.If we're not breaking it down to the micro-level analysis the rest is pretty good.

aanet: Whoa, didn't expect the announcement to come so soon. Of course, the sound bytes were everywhere, but even then, this was a surprise announcement.So, the Tim Cook era lasted 15 years (2011 - 2026). He's 65yo, and he could have easily hung in there for a few more years. But I believe he's leaving at the peak -- both Apple's and his own -- and this might be the best time to leave, rather than being forced out (as many too-long-in-the-tooth CEOs have been) when the company inevitably grows slower, or has a crisis.Ternus is 50-51 yo, roughly the age when Cook himself took over Apple. There the similarities disappear. Ternus is a HW guy through-and-through. I hope he has solid SW and Design team with him. He's gonna need it, given all the big/small design snafus in the recent past. [Not including Mac Neo in there, which looks stellar by any means]Wishing him luck; he's gonna need it. (and me too, my $$$ are invested in AAPL, and I ain't selling anytime soon, so well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )

bigyabai: > He is doing the most while giving the least.> Contrast with every other tech executiveWhat contrast is there? Tech executives capitulated to Trump's demands, and Tim Cook did the exact same thing. The problem doesn't start and stop with the gold trophy, it encompasses things like European legislation, labor/union laws, and complex supply chains that Apple needs federal support to manage. There are convoluted motives here, and the bizzaro FIFA trophies are only the tip of the iceberg.

Fr0styMatt88: This is actually one thing I think will be great as AI coding agents get better. Companies whose main expertise is hardware might start producing better software.There are so many little bugs in consumer-facing apps that hit the ‘sweet’ spot of being incredible little annoyances that just aren’t worth putting an engineer on for a week to fix, but which are totally worth having an engineer throw an agent onto them.

nottorp: How? Coding agents are trained on every copy of every tutorial that skips error checking and implements the least resistance path.

JohnMakin: it was far inferior to its competitor when it was released

firloop: FTA:> As executive chairman, Cook will assist with certain aspects of the company, including engaging with policymakers around the world.This gives me the impression that at least for the near-term, Cook will still be the one groveling to the Trump White House. Whatever you think about that, that's probably helpful for Ternus' dealings with the next administration.

toephu2: Not really. Anyone and everyone is replaceable. Even Steve Jobs.

necovek: I tend to disagree to a point: their laptops have great internals but are terrible from a usage perspective — I like to imagine their system board in a Thinkpad X1 Carbon chassis with native Linux!But HW is at least improving (eg. they added anti-reflective screen option), and SW is very much not.

ValentineC: > their laptops have great internals but are terrible from a usage perspective — I like to imagine their system board in a Thinkpad X1 Carbon chassis with native Linux!I don't know about Thinkpads, but the utterly pleasant glass trackpad is still one of the things I cannot find on most non-Mac laptops, despite every manufacturer being able to copy it for years.The closest I've found are the Surface laptop/cover trackpads, but they have their own set of reliability and repairability issues.As a MacBook user, I very rarely want to use a mouse except for gaming. THe trackpad is delightful enough for the bulk of my use cases.

pxc: [delayed]

cubefox: The NYT was right: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/08/technology/apple-ceo-tim-...

apple4ever: I appreciate what Cook did for the hardware, but he really failed on the software side. Too many little and annoying bugs.

elicash: > Apple software is terribleThe Vision Pro software team did an incredible job. Its software is more impressive than its hardware.

walterbell: [delayed]

kshacker: Someone archive the leadership page :) to be referenced 12 months from when John takes over

aanet: Done: https://archive.is/VtcPp

pzo: This is what’s all bad with us stocks and completely disconnected with market value: Revenue jumped 4x but market capitalization got inflated to 12x.

gabbagool: I'm genuinely curious why you think Apple software is terrible?

CrimsonCape: When was the last time you used the clusterf* that is iTunes on windows?Or more generically answer the question: how can I get an arbitrary audio file into my iTunes music? (hint: good luck)Music 'synced' with iTunes but not appearing on my other devices? There must be some kind of arbitrary difference between 'synced with iTunes' and 'synced with iCloud'. I guarantee this is some kind of (barely) maintained legacy syncing to keep the iTunes workflow alive specifically so Apple can avoid giving users a modern 'import to my cloud library' feature.

CrimsonCape: Also, remember guys, you can't have a shell on iphone because. Nor a text editor. Because. ssh into your iphone? hah. These are all software issues.

zeristor: How long to the next ATP podcast?

kylec: I think they usually record on Tuesdays, so not long

DerekL: “We broadcast most episodes live on Wednesday nights at 8 PM US Eastern time.”https://atp.fm/live

thereitgoes456: It's fair to say there is not much contrast. But he's kept Apple's DEI and climate commitments in place even after being attacked directly, while Zuckerberg, Musk and Altman are proactively broadcasting right-wing talking points, sometimes pre-emptively. Yes, Cook gave $1 million, but Brockman gave $25 million, and Musk gave much, much more.

bigyabai: We don't know what deals Cook and Trump have made with each other, we've just seen the byproduct of their relations on the political stage. Nothing Cook did during his tenure de-risked Apple from the consequences of a worsening political state in the US. When the tides turn towards authoritarianism, Apple turns towards compliance. They've done it for both Trump admins.Cynically speaking, Cook is wise to keep the DEI and climate commitments as bartering chits for Apple's next leadership to forfeit. He knows that Apple needs leverage to get their druthers from the Fed.

bayindirh: Their software is better than most (if not all) of closed-source universe. That's true, but the problem is, they were better in the past.I'm using both Linux and macOS close to 20 years (Linux is even more than 20, IIRC), and macOS (aka Mac OS) used to be snappier, more stable, more uniform and had incredibly low number of papercuts around the UI. Now it has some nasty thorns here and there, while Linux is improving steadily and not regressing much as macOS.Apple needs to overhaul their software stack. They can use a lot of sanding and polishing to bring the shine back. They need another "Snow Leopard" release, as many people say.On the other hand, even with all these bells and whistles, they can't even get close to the composability of Linux systems. Doing so will also damage their bottom line, so they won't, and that's OK.

lynndotpy: The thing where Linux (and Android, and Windows at least circa 2023) blows Apple out of the water is in UI latency. The built-in animations on Apple's software are sometimes hundreds of times slower than on their competitors, in ways which can't be accounted for.Improving interface response times is the single best thing Apple can do to improve their UX. I don't need an interface which throbs, wiggles, jiggles, shines, and refracts, I need an interface that's snappy and fast.As far as I know, MacOS is the _only_ desktop OS with this problem. The only way to fix this problem on MacOS is to do everything inside a virtual machine running anything but MacOS.

pityJuke: 90% of my usage of it is because it actually displays the map on my Watch, whereas Google Maps & Citymapper only show directions.If it weren't for that, I'd use Citymapper for practically everything.

this_user: Their legendary "goto fail" debacle as well as the ease with which ios has repeatedly been jailbroken would disagree. I think geohot once quipped: "My lawyer could write a better malloc."

Veserv: I much prefer the bug where the root password was the empty string [1].https://security.it.miami.edu/stay-safe/sec-articles/macosx-...[1] Actually, the bug was that creating a root account was a unprivileged action, so anybody could create a root account on your machine with a password of their choice. The most obvious presentation is that you could login to root by pressing enter twice with the empty password; the first time creating root with the empty password and the second time logging you in.

SirMaster: Why is the photo so blurry?

Austin_Conlon: Maybe it was edited by Apple Intelligence.

toephu2: Google is much better at software than Apple...most in the Valley would agree with this.

antipaul: Performance wise, they often seem solid.Usability wise (UI/UX/design), they are in the gutter.

pityJuke: God, I miss Android so much. iOS still annoys me. The app situation is sadly better on iOS, though.

RaoulP: For a long time I was hoping it would be Jeff Williams. For the brief moments these heads at Apple get the spotlight, I always felt he gave off a sense of humanity and sincerity.

kmeisthax: My personal hope for John Ternus is that he relaxes some of Apple's anti-competitive bullshit to the point where the company is willing to make iPads actually useful for anything other than 2D drawing apps. As someone who has been daily-driving an M1 iPad Pro for five years, the iPad is the most glaring hole in Apple's lineup in terms of usefulness.Yes, I get that the iPad is supposed to be a "casual computing device" or whatever. Yes, I know Apple has delivered significant improvements to iPadOS's capabilities in those five years. But using it still feels like wearing a straitjacket a lot of the time.

walterbell: Now that the Microsoft exclusive has ended for Qualcomm (ex-Apple) laptops, upcoming Arm laptops from Dell/HP/Lenovo should be well supported by Google's unified ChromeOS+Android desktop, which includes a full Debian Linux pKVM VM with vGPU accelerated graphics. Plus the Nvidia-Mediatek Arm gaming laptops.These new devices will combine Arm performance-per-watt, thousands of Linux OSS packages, ChromeOS desktop SaaS and Google Play Store touch-optimized local apps. Apple could compete by enabling MacOS and/or Linux VMs on iPad Pro, without forcing Pro users to jump through JIT-enabling hoops for iSH or UTM.MacOS already runs on iPhone SoC in Macbook Neo.

drob518: Cook did a great job. I was hesitant when Steve Jobs died and Cook took over. Jobs was so visionary and it wasn’t clear that a finance guy would be a good fit. He clearly learned what he needed to and he trusted those people around him in the organization who also had vision to do what they do best. So, kudos to Cook. He proved my fears unwarranted.

fckgw: > Few new products were launched, and those that were had mixed success.Tim oversaw the launch of the Apple Watch, Airpods, Airtags, Apple Pay, the Beats acquisition (which lead to Apple Music) and the launch of the M series chips.He's had quite a few product launches under his belt, many of them company-defining products.

kube-system: The M series transition was perfectly executed, but that trajectory was set up before Jobs left when they went all-in on in-house semiconductor design.

basisword: Come on. Attributing a product to a guy that died 15 years ago instead of the guy running the company for the last 15 years is absurd.

kube-system: Cook deserves credit for the desktop transition that happened during his tenure.Jobs deserves credit for in-housing of ARM chip development that happened during his tenure.

glenstein: Presumably in terms of a conventional colloquial sense that's an amalgam of those among other things.

hei-lima: This!

dekhn: Prediction: Sundar will step aside and Demis will replace him.(actually I doubt this- Demis does not want to run a big company whose main business is Ads)

cubefox: The problem is neither Sundar nor Demis are remotely as focused and competitive as Sam and Dario.

PlunderBunny: Yeah, I thought Cook would stay on until the end of the Trump-admin in order to keep ‘swallowing the dead rats’ so that the next CEO would have a clean plate.

tyleregeto: Opinions vary, but I've never found Apple software to be particularly good. Their hardware is almost always exceptional.I'd go further and say I am constantly frustrated by how difficult their software can make basic tasks. I often find many of their UX patterns unintuitive, or even feel user hostile at times. Small example, I really want to view passwords as I type them in. I constantly miss type passwords on touch screens. User error maybe, but frustrating experience.XCode is my least favourite IDE that I use regularily.

hei-lima: It's not great, ofc. But I find myself less disgusted by it.

liuliu: Trump is the president. People voted him into the Office. Tim Cook didn't give him the golden statue before he is in the Office.Everyone in the United States is complicit to the horrible things done by the Trump administration by your logic. I partially agree, but I also think burning Apple to the ground will not be Tim Cook's legacy and he is in no place to go against the executive branch.It is not about Trump, it is about the corrupted executive branch. Tim didn't do any crime against humanity in his act.

mcmcmc: [delayed]

qsz13: I just hope they can bring back the live events for the product releases.

drob518: It’s gotten a lot better, but I still find the address database better in Google Maps, which helps when you have only a fragment of an address. I also find that the Apple Maps database has a lot of roads that read the same. For instance, in Texas where I live, we have a lot of “Ranch Roads” that are numbered. Think of them like state highways in other state (which we also have; don’t ask). For whatever reason, most of the Ranch Roads are spoken by Maps as “Ranch Road,” not with the number. So, if you have a spot where multiple Ranch Roads intersect, Maps will just say “turn left on Ranch Road” instead of “turn left on Ranch Road 123.” It’s tremendous annoying. In another state, imagine it saying “turn left on Interstate,” without a number. Anyway, Google Maps does better.

projektfu: Google Maps often picks the non-idiomatic thing. It'll say the road name when no sign uses that, and it's a US highway that you have been following for a while. Or it will tell you the state highway number when it is a major named artery, and nobody knows that it is a state highway at that point or uses the highway number. This makes it hard to know if it is carrying you along on the same route or if it has come up with one of its weird shortcuts to save 1 minute.

Arainach: What metrics or experiences lead you to that conclusion?I've used basically all of the major operating systems for 30+ years and I cannot stand macOS. I use a Mac as one of my work devices, and off the top of my head:* Basic things such as window management require third party tools to get things that are table stakes everywhere else. Even with third party tools doing anything with a "full screen" mode is not going to work the way you expect.* You can't have separate scroll directions for your trackpad and your external mouse.* External peripherals in general are a disaster. Every time I connect or disconnect from a docking station my windows are left in awkward positions sized larger than my screen and I need to drag them around* macOS seems to store a different set of monitor orientations based on what USB port I connect my dock to - same dock, same monitors, 2 different layouts I had to configure independently. I don't even know how you could accomplish that if you wanted it - and absolutely no one wants that.* Multiple monitors is constantly an afterthought, whether it's menus, the dock, layouts, what have you* The Settings app is impossible to find anything in. You have to search, and that works OK sometimes, but the layout has no rhyme, reason, or comprehensible order* Safari. Enough said.I could keep going, but I absolutely do not associate Apple with quality software.

dlahoda: for hardware you tried, was it all apple?

alsetmusic: I think it's interesting that the handoff will be complete on Sept 1. That would mean Ternus will helm his first iPhone launch that month. Auspicious timing. Curious the math they calculated when landing on this date. Certainly tees him up for an early win if the products are well-received.

Geee: My guess is that they'll release something impressive in September, and they want to give Ternus an early win as you said. Maybe a new completely product or Vision Air.

modeless: Android and Windows are better than iOS and macOS in many non-trivial ways. They have their own problems too but as a user of all of them I don't prefer the Apple software. Apple's hardware, on the other hand, is clearly superior.

throwaway173738: No, before Trump 2 nobody would’ve taken bribes and gifts so openly like this. It’s not even in the same league and it’s some really self-serving argumentation to pretend otherwise.Every complicity is another nail in the coffin of our democracy.

2muchcoffeeman: So, they’re just like every other software outfit.

whatsupdog: It's worst in case of freedom, which is the most important aspect for me. Every release they are slowly turning in the screws and make it harder and harder to install apps from developers who haven't jumped through all the hoops that Apple forces them to. I hope this change in leadership will change this strategy.

hedora: Google is worse. Most of their apps are cloud only with no E2EE. Also, they are much more user hostile when deciding what goes in the store (they make money off spying, but apple makes money off hw, so this makes sense).Both those ecosystems are rapidly enshittifying (apple cannot even reliably process keystrokes with subsecond latency, and google is banning sideloading).We need a third, actually user-serving and open alternative. Maybe the new CEO will slow or reverse the bleeding on the iOS / MacOS side.

whatsupdog: Google has so far allowed installing apps without their explicit permission. So it's much higher on freedom index, imo. And there's no obligation to use Google cloud apps. There's alternative for every Google cloud app.

mcmcmc: [delayed]

nixass: > Apple’s software is the best in the non-free software world compared to Google's or MicrosoftApple's iOS is hot garbage. The macOS is not far behind on how horrible the UX is

thenanyu: Siri was under jobs. He saw AI before everyone else

ivanjermakov: AI talks started before Jobs was born...

soperj: Safari is a shinning example of how wrong this is. Sorry.The fact that the tie the mobile version to the OS version is just ridiculous.

raw_anon_1111: So exactly why is that a big deal when unlike Android - they actually keep their phones updated?

riazrizvi: Cook was a steward of Apple as an offshored manufacturing behemoth. I'm looking forward to where this reset goes. Hopefully better and American made products.The privacy focus is why Apple is dominant today, keep that up.

pama: The price over earnings (arguably an imperfect, but better way to compare stock prices against each other than using pure revenue) for Apple has been fluctuating within about a factor of 2 for the last 20 years. Since before the iPhone, people were nervous about the possibility of sustained growth of profits of the company, and the P/E was similar to today. Once Apple started making a lot more money under Tim Cook, the price was at a relative discount becauee 10 years ago people were certain (but wrong) that this run would end soon and badly. The long term stability under Cook was truly impressive. Lets see what the markets think abiut the leadership change tomorrow, but probably this is not an immediate event.

charcircuit: A shell is not useful on a touch screen device.iOS comes with a text editor built in. Memo.Ssh server doesn't make sense for an iPhone. How would that even work? It wouldn't be able to do anything or be a worse experience than something properly designed for the user rather than trying to force a 50 year old computing model onto a phone.

throwaway173738: I’m very upset that iOS doesn’t support using a phone as a jump box.

ValentineC: macOS and iOS 26 are quite bad.

dlahoda: what is bad for you? was you at linux or windows - may be apple is best of all bad?

christophilus: Package management, too. I recently got a MacBook for work, but it’s sitting on my desk and I’m continuing to use my Lenovo. Managing software updates is much better on Linux. As is managing windows (via Niri in my case). macOS really feels like a downgrade.

dlahoda: did you tried nix on macos? helps with software updates

ericzawo: They are leaps and bounds above any other laptop on the market. Who wants a plastic chasis and nub in 2026 over a modern Macbook Air.

dlahoda: what is most non trivial way example?

modeless: Android has a far better OTA update system than iOS. The notification system is much better and the default keyboard is better too.Windows has a better desktop compositor and window manager than macOS.

jorvi: Ah yes, the company that still can't their gesture and backswipe UX functioning properly 7 years after its introduction, and with Apple giving them 2 years to study it beforehand.A decade to produce a non-functioning gesture bar / system. Such a titan among titans.

mvkel: Cook is known to be monk-like, so the relative quiet of this announcement is no surprise. Hopefully Ternus takes some risks and revisits some things from scratch (the OS layer)[0] rather than continuing down the path of more service add-ons that Cook seemed to be excitedly geared up for. Personally, it's worth noting that Ternus did -not- directly oversee the Vision Pro, which is encouraging.[0] As Steve Jobs said in 2005: "OS X is the most advanced operating system on the planet and it has set Apple up for the next 20 years."How incredibly prophetic that 21 years later, MacOS is suddenly showing its age.

dlahoda: linux and windows are older.and mac has ios, which with ipads goes desktopy. (capability based security)

ebbi: > maybe a change in leadership will change how Apple participates in US politicsI think you're attributing a lot more agency to a CEO role (for a publicly listed company, at the least) than they actually have.

the_lucifer: > I tend to disagree to a point: their laptops have great internals but are terrible from a usage perspective — I like to imagine their system board in a Thinkpad X1 Carbon chassis with native Linux!> But HW is at least improving (eg. they added anti-reflective screen option), and SW is very much not.And I would disagree with the idea that I should be running Linux on my primary machine. As a developer, I've faced enough "death by a thousand cuts" situations from running Linux on my personal router and servers to let it anywhere close to my main computer.Don't even get me started on the hardware quality of Mac laptop including their stellar trackpads, screens and the smallest details like the quality of the hinge. I can still open my 5 year old Mac with a single finger and the hinge is as solid as the day I bought it.As someone who's also particular about user experience, Linux always fails at this. If you have good UX, that means you can critically think for what a user wants from a computer, and can determine what should and shouldn’t be prioritized. UX is never a first-class citizen on Linux, and for all the issues with Tahoe, macOS still has enough residual quality left in it to not feel like I'm constantly fighting the operating system.Simple example: I want HDR on Linux. Should be easy right? Just switch to Plasma under Wayland? Then do a one time config so mpv can play HDR. Oh and no browsers support it so good luck. Games need gamescope and flags to be set.I want my computer to work, not for me to work as an integration engineer. So I use my Mac and it just works™. So I just let Linux live where I feel it works best, in servers and headless environments.

dlahoda: did you tried nix home-manager for linux software setup? i never was able to use linux until nix.hardware - afaik only lenovo(some say asus is worth to try - but no official linux support, framework is sturdy but feels cheap) is well know for quality hardware - others are questionable.unfortunately AMD AI Max 390/2/5+ nor Qualcomm Elite 2 Lenovos are not here.

pzo: I hope Ternus can turn this ship. Apple wasted the last 5 years without any significant innovation/revolution or even without significant evolution. No groundbreaking change from iphone 12 pro in current iphone 17 pro.Before we had many groundbreaking features that redefined how you use smarphone:- gps- flashlight (yes everybody with flashlight in the pocket!)- front selfie camera + video calls- compass + accelerometer + gyroscope- good wide and ultrawide (video) camera- nfc + apple pay- fingerprint / faceid- esim- magsafeNow you can have iphone 12 pro and don't miss much from iphone 17 pro.

vovavili: >Apple software is terribleThat's a wild claim.

poolnoodle: In my opinion Android (especially the Google Pixel flavour) is vastly more intuitive and logical than i(Pad)OS these days. I almost need to consult a manual to change my wallpaper on iOS. Anything to do with file management or notifications is also just plain bad on iOS. The keyboard is bad. Background downloads don't work reliably. If I want to transfer photos from a computer onto an iPhone I need special software and then cannot delete those pictures on the phone itself. I can choose between 3 multitasking paradigms on iPad – terrible!

runjake: > The built-in animations on Apple's software are sometimes hundreds of times slower than on their competitors, in ways which can't be accounted for.You can turn down the animation times for most of this with "defaults write" commands. Set them to 0 or as small as you want. Here's a good list to get started:https://gist.github.com/j8/8ef9b6e39449cbe2069a> I don't need an interface which throbs, wiggles, jiggles, shines, and refracts, I need an interface that's snappy and fast.System Settings -> Accessibility -> Reduce Motion: Enabled System Settings -> Accessibility -> Display -> Reduce Transparency: Enabled

phist_mcgee: Nor does the cop who demands $100 for letting you go without arresting you.But they're still responsible for their own personal piece of the rot in the system.

2muchcoffeeman: I hope you’re not comparing a gold trophy to a straight up bribe. It’s like giving Trump your Noble peace prize.Having the prize doesn’t make you the winner. But it feeds Trumps ego sooooooo muuuuuch, it’s probably the “best” thing you can do to get on his good side without actually giving him anything.

sultanofsaltin: Pretty simple hot take:This period in Apple’s history will be the cold ice bath post Jobs.There may be serious fanboy energy to this but Apple has so much dry powder going for it still, and to put that in the hands of someone who actually builds, along with what looks to be a strong rumor mill year with VR stuff and the foldable to create a big tailwind… it seems like a pretty intentional move.Also if they dropped one more subscription on us before expanding categories they might’ve caused an avalanche in lack of confidence.Cook did an excellent job of raking in cash for bet the company size bets that he wouldn’t be guaranteed to see through. The dude is clearly a salt of the earth, values guy, should enjoy a proper retirement era.

tokyobreakfast: > Apple hardware is already amazingApple also made some amazing hardware blunders.My personal favorite is the force-touch home button on the previous generation iPhones and iPads wouldn't work if you were wearing a band-aid. I don't mean the fingerprint reader, it wouldn't even click. So don't ever cut yourself if you were planning to unlock your phone ever. It added basically nothing for the end user besides rendering the vibrate function wimpy and useless.

tastyface: Good riddance to an effective CEO whose entire legacy will be tarnished by a giant, gold-plated asterisk.

Affric: Google is not without its errors.I used to work to resolve addressing disputes and google just doesn't expose (maybe even store) the relevant information for a lot of parcels of land.It’s all available freely from the government in simple formats but for Joe Public they don’t know that much less how to access it and it’s the case that technicians on the ground don’t always have it in their SOP either. Google has a level of market dominance that means their errors can be, for a small individual or over an aggregation of small individuals, costly.

drob518: Yep, they all have flaws. I just fine that when I want to drive somewhere, Google does better for me than Apple, though certainly Apple has improved a lot recently.

tastyface: Cook stood up to the FBI. He could have stood up to Trump -- he just didn't want to.

JeremyHerrman: re: US Politics, I view Apple's gift of the gold & glass trophy to Trump more as a humiliation ritual Cook had to endure so that they can continue to uphold their principles, but with a less adversarial government.Sure it's gross but it does not necessarily signal an abandonment of values from Apple.

tastyface: Disagree. Cook shows up to dinner parties with Trump all the time. I think he genuinely feels solidarity with the Epstein class.

chatmasta: What about Apple Silicon?

amalcon: I'd be careful normalizing bribery. It's very micro-efficient, almost definitionally, but the macro effects of normalized bribery are well known and not good.

BirAdam: Bribery is the actual normal function of US politics. That’s what lobbying really amounts to.The USA has the best government that money can buy.

shimman: Until you get fascism or welfare reforms, hopefully you aren't on the chopping block by then.

lateforwork: > Apple’s software is the best in the non-free software world compared to Google's or Microsoft'sYou are comparing against the wrong thing.Compare it to NeXTSTEP from 35 years ago:https://infinitemac.org/1989/NeXTStep%201.0NeXTSTEP was both more usable and better looking.

pacifi30: Thank you Tim Cook, as I am writing this on an iPhone.Is this a golden opportunity to take on the software side of Apple, native apps like photos and messages, notes app? So much good data we give to Apple apps sit their idling, there is a play here to turn them into an independent playable artifacts and shared digital human network company. My friend emma has her snack Game on! I would like to get a snack list derived from her snack data. Yes, texting works but there is no programmatic way of accessing each other’s data. I believe this data needs be freed from Apple.Apple’s privacy approach is stellar, that quest though is a prison where our data goes and does a slow death.

saintfire: You say this matter of factly and yet I've seen countless people talk about using termux more than a desktop shell.Maybe iPhone is different but most phones you can connect a keyboard to, making the shell pretty usable. Not my cup of tea but I have tried it. I'm still holding out on the dream that a good Linux phone might exist one day.

BirAdam: To be clear, I am not saying this is a good state affairs; merely that it is the normal operating procedure for the USA.

torben-friis: >Cook is known to be monk-likeHow so? Genuinely curious, I've got no idea what he's like as a person.

krackers: There's some irony there in that the whole maps fiasco lead to firing of Forstall which allowed Ive to become head of design, which basically led to the current state of macOS design.I do wish that some day someone will tell the story of what happened during that time. Maps was bad at launch yes, but it also wouldn't get better without people contributing more data, and the fact that it took a decade to slowly improve implies that there's nothing anyone could have done to get it right "off the bat". It still feels to me Forstall was set up as the fall guy, especially considering no one was fired for antennagate.

latexr: Reportedly, Forstall wasn’t liked by the other senior execs but was kept “safe” as Jobs’ protégé, they thought alike and shared the love for skeuomorphism design. Ive in particular disliked Forstall, and Tim Cook made a choice.https://www.businessinsider.com/apples-minimalist-ive-assume...

Rover222: Have you used an iPhone recently?

butterlesstoast: Anyone else notice the header text gets cut off on mobile? On an iPhone 17 no less...

torben-friis: Can't reproduce on an OPPO, funnily enough.

jordand: You've not read about or had the Calculator memory leaks on macOS Tahoe, have you?

dlahoda: on windows it does not leak slowly. just preallocates 2x memory for all future leaks.

saintfire: No one accused Microsoft of writing good software.

pzo: yes they innovated with apple sillicon but I would say it only shines in macOS environment. On iOS / iPadOS it's completely untapped - like having ferrari with only gravel roads around.

mabedan: If Johny Ive stayed, he could have become CEO... Now he has to design Ferrari dashboards and AI Pins

geodel: "Designing AI Pin has been the greatest privilege of my life. I'd rank it higher than anything I did before"

antipaul: A Snow Leopard move, at least for iOS, is what's on deck:https://www.macrumors.com/2026/03/15/ios-27-will-reportedly-...

ProfessorLayton: A major reason Snow Leopard was well received was because of how performant it felt along with the bug fixes. What isn't mentioned anywhere near as much is that it dropped a lot of hardware (PPC), even barely older machines. The last G4 Powerbook got about 1.5y of OS support before it was dropped.iOS 26 is slated to drop a bunch of iPhone models. macOS is dropping all all macs with Intel CPUs.A Snow Leopard release isn't great news for a lot of people.

CarbonCycles: I commend Apple for hiring someone internally...someone who climbed up the ranks and understands the DNA of the company.Also think it's cool that John Ternus has only a bachelor's degree with a very down to earth presence. I completely dig his LI page being really bare bones.I suspect Apple is about to experience another Renaissance era...

dlahoda: what is better?

Danox: If you are reading Hackers News for the most part, you are out of touch with the normal computer users and that was said over and over again with the introduction of the Mac Neo which appears to be a hit among normal everyday computer users who have never heard of Hackers News, a family member recently just bought one of the new Mac M5 PowerBook's and I expected some cry for help setting it up. Guess what there was none.In the answer to your question, there is nothing better overall across hardware and software top to bottom and that applies to computers, smartphones, tablets, and watches across five ecosystems.

t1234s: They need to move all of the iOS boatware apps bundled with macOS to the app store so people can choose to uninstall then reinstall them later.

ajross: Hilariously, this is what the Gnome 2 people would have called an "Unbreak Me" option, something they tried culturally to eliminate more than a decade and a half ago. With... not total success, I guess, but the resulting environment tends to have a very high level of "work and not suck by default" quality -- something that steadily evolving commercial software tends to struggle with maintaining.

archon810: https://www.apple.com/community-letter-from-tim/Why share it as a quote rather than a link I can click?

Krastan: Its been more than 5 years since the M1 came out in Nov 2020

adastra22: Believe it or not, more than five years ago.

bryanlarsen: As a cross platform developer, MacOS is far buggier than Linux or Windows in my experience.

dlahoda: you mean `bugs i have as developer` or bugs reported by users of your xplat app?

bryanlarsen: Bugs in the OS I encounter as a developer.

walterbell: [delayed]

cageface: In the US. In many other countries it's borderline useless.

fhub: Their UX has been getting worse. No arguments there. But I feel the nuts and bolts under the covers slowly prods along in the right direction.

mvkel: Right. We're not still running Windows Vista, or RedHat. Time for a rethink.

stephenhuey: When Apple released its BSD-based OS X at the turn of the century, I was at Rice learning on Solaris machines, and also started dual booting Linux on my personal desktop at the time. My first few years in the working world were spent on Dells running Windows, so by the time I bought my first laptop in 2006, I was excited to spend my dollars on an unusual-looking white Macbook specifically because it had a *nix shell and the developer experience was vastly better to me than any machine I used at my day jobs. I still prefer working on Macs because ever since, they have just worked and Windows has gotten progressively worse (I know, because I have helped my parents with their Surface laptop). Unfortunately, Mac OS X has been less robust in the last several years, and I'd love to see them turn this around, both for the developer experience and for regular consumers. I still like using Photos, but I don't use their cloud for those, and I've been amazed over the years just how uninformative the Photos app on Mac can be when it flakes out and I have to try a rain dance just to get it to sync with my iPhone. That's pretty abysmal for a company that used to just work, but I believe it comes from the top. Steve Jobs used to enforce quality, and I want to see that again!

Schiendelman: The whole experience you're having with the rain dance is because the cloud does just work. It's a vanishing a tiny percentage of people that don't use it.

gradstudent: Similar experience here, started with the same G4 ("white") iBook. That was an amazing machine. Under the hood it was hard to distinguish many differences with Linux/BSD of the time. The UI on top (OSX Tiger) was peerless -- I recall being very excited for the introduction of Spotlight. I'd say the decline came around 2012-2013 or so. Hardware was still great, but they were no longer updating the GNU stuff and anti-features like SIP made it harder and harder to run the applications I want (gdb for example). I gave up not long after they introduced the touchbarThese days I'm happier (or at least content) without a Mac. My FW13+Linux setup may not be as nice as the latest macbook, but it does exactly what I want and if it doesn't, I have options.

bilsbie: Will this change their AI strategy (or lack of)

geodel: Like blowing hundred billion dollars for undifferentiated technology?

ux266478: A shell is perfectly useful on a touchscreen device.> a 50 year old computing model onto a phoneWhat? Do you think command lines are based on the lambda calculus or something?

lotsofpulp: I hope they sell a higher priced monthly Apple One bundle which allows people to pay extra to not see ads in Apple Maps. Can even make it multiple tiers for no ads in Apple TV and Apple Maps, or maybe privacy plus tiers so they can earn more money by not selling search history.

BitwiseFool: Personally, I hope the lack of advertisements in Apple Maps comes bundled with the fact that I purchased an iPhone. A lack of ads is a selling point.

UqWBcuFx6NV4r: What? No. Why would he even want to?

anonyfox: Really wanna discuss the current windows debacles? Come on! Apple software regressed but it’s not outright hostile bad still.

tcfhgj: at least you can still decide on the software you install

esafak: How do you not install all the ads?

JKCalhoun: Forstall fired an engineer I had worked with (and who I respected a lot) to take the fall for Apple Maps.

makeitdouble: They are leaps and bounds ahead for people who want their specific formula or don't really care about computers.Apple has always been a "our way or the highway" brand, we can at least keep in mind that 3 laptop formulas only differenciated by size and thickness won't cut it for everyone on the planet.

tamimio: I have to admit, regardless of whatever opinions you may have on Apple, Tim is/was probably the best bug tech CEO in the sea of evil ones out there, or evil and grifters, he remained focused on what’s the best might be for the users and also the company.

ValentineC: > I hope Ternus can turn this ship. Apple wasted the last 5 years without any significant innovation/revolution or even without significant evolution. No groundbreaking change from iphone 12 pro in current iphone 17 pro.I daresay the iPhone 17 Pro is a compelling enough upgrade, hardware wise. Not much innovation, but their phone hardware is very usable.But I'd prefer if Apple gave up 2 years of trying to "innovate" nonsense like Liquid glAss and polish up their software first, just like the old days.

hamasho: It's exciting to see that the new CEO of Apple is a hardware guy.I was just thinking about what had been avoiding enshittification, and Apple's hardware was the only thing I came up. All other stuff, all products from Google, MS, Facebook, Twitter, and even Nvidia though the performance was improved has gone downhill. It's not only tech companies, but fast food, car manufacturers, real estate, and many others, if it wasn't shit from the start like consulting, healthcare, and marketing.They have flaws, like not allowing users to repair the hardware, but well, at least it's consistent.I really hope Apple (hardware at least) will remain free from enshittification.

seanmcdirmid: > Apple’s software is the best in the non-free software world compared to Google's or Microsoft's, IMO. But that doesn't mean it can't be better.20+ years ago, software was so horrible that we were just tolerating it, and every new OS release was a big deal because there was hope things would get better! Today an OS release comes out and I have to be bothered by automatic "you must upgrade messages" to even care.People forget how horrible it used to be, and if you still use windows, how much worse it could be when vs. Apple (and let's not get started on Linux).

angoragoats: I was using (and writing) software as long as 35+ years ago and I disagree with your assessment that we were “just tolerating it” 20 years ago. 20 years ago, I was using Mac OS X Tiger on a new Intel-based MacBook Pro and it ran like a dream, and had software which mostly followed Apple’s human interface guidelines. Now I run macOS Tahoe and curse under my breath at the lack of design consistency and the iPad-ification of the interface. I’m also shown ads, and in some cases ads that can’t be dismissed or disabled, for things like iCloud and Apple Music.When it comes to the software, I’d take the Tiger experience over the Tahoe one hands-down.

seanmcdirmid: I used 20+ years ago as a guideline, not an absolute. Of course the intel MBP came out in 2006 (or 2007?) and was an absolute dream setup where hardware caught up with Windows while the software was pretty good as well (I was using a Mac since 2004 or so).I don't think software is improving today, which is why I have to be nagged to upgrade. I don't think it worse, but my computer usage probably varies greatly from yours.

levocardia: So you're looking forward to a $2000 iPhone 18e?

mohamedkoubaa: If I never had to replace it again, I wouldn't mind that price.

doener: "Tim Cook donated $1M to Trump’s inauguration.He fawned over Trump and gifted him a 24-karat gold plaque (as Apple lobbied for tariff exemptions).Apple donated to Trump’s White House ballroom.And it removed ICE tracking apps from its stores following a demand from the DOJ.Remember this."https://bsky.app/profile/rbreich.bsky.social/post/3mjxhqhyqo...

honr: Nix is not the same as nixos, and in this case the distinction matters. It has to step carefully around Apple's updates. This further highlights the fact Apple lacks the same quality package management as some linux distros. Nixpkgs (on macos), Ports, and Homebrew packages are toys compared to the EFFORT that goes into maintaining Debian and Redhat packages.In terms of package management SOFTWARE, however, nix (and guix, lix, etc.) are state of the art and work fairly similar in both linux and macos. A deeper integration with the OS would have been nice.

nxobject: The big bucks are for simultaneously groveling to Trump and China’s leaders. China usually makes or breaks the quarterly numbers after all.

JKCalhoun: “When we started out with maps, it was an ambitious undertaking. It was bumpy…”And I know many engineers within Apple that had been testing Maps before it shipped and they were filing bugs about it. It shipped anyway.

dpark: > It shipped anyway.“Real artists ship”No product worth using is bug free.

jakeydus: No product is bug free. Are all products worth using?

mort96: "No product worth using is bug free" is not the same statement as "all bug free products are worth using". Come on man, this is basic logic.

6thbit: So John gets to announce the Fold comes september

wewtyflakes: I have not found this to be true for the software side of things.- Apple Music's UI/UX is quite rough on MacOS.- Trying to use my iPhone to type a long password on my Apple TV is hit-or-miss.- For some reason trying to view a password using Keychain requires you to enter your credentials twice, every time, for as long as I can remember.

Schiendelman: Most of the main apps on Apple TV shouldn't require a password anymore; you log in on your phone to authorize. The next Apple TV should simplify this further...

tty456: I feel like Apple's biggest challenges these next 10 years will be logistics, being able to create or take advantage of additional redundancy in the supply chain for their major components.

Danox: With Ternus being the new CEO don’t be surprised if Apple takes a more active role in designing around the three Stooges of memory and bring it (the design and engineering) in house like the rest of the Apple Silicon chips.

lukeh: SIP is anti-feature for a certain class of users, but the right tradeoff for most consumers. At least you can disable it. And even as a developer I leave it enabled.

richardatlarge: Here here

dvt: > I think Tim Cook took Steve Job's vision and really took it to the moon.I vehemently disagree with this. I think Cook's logistics and business-focused goals are, if not diametrically opposed to Job's product obsession, at the very least orthogonal to it. Almost everything about Apple the product, over the past 15 years, has either coasted (e.g. stayed at par with the rest of the industry) or gotten worse. The one exception is arguably Apple Silicon (and I'm sure their board is acutely aware of it).

BiraIgnacio: True, it's better than most for sure and I agree it used to be better. Though a lot of other software for windows and linux are really not that great so the bar is probably on the lower end.

entropoem: Craig Federighi should also resign. The software is getting worse and disoriented. Since Apple pre-records the events, Craig only cares about how to look cool in front of Developers rather than grooming the software for Apple.

angoragoats: > I used 20+ years ago as a guideline, not an absolute.I understood that, and I was using it in the same way.> I don't think software is improving today, which is why I have to be nagged to upgrade. I don't think it worse…Yeah this is the part I was disagreeing with, and I gave a couple examples showing why it’s meaningfully worse now.I’ve been using Macs since the 1980s. The timeframe of 20-25 years ago (post Classic Mac OS) was some of the best software Apple has ever released.

jonhohle: On macOS there are so many basic things you’d want to do - share itineraries, annotate places, keep lists of things, but there’s not even a document concept. With the exception of guides, anything you do is ephemeral. It’s excellent at planning a route, but doing anything with that route, including getting back to it later is useless.

Spooky23: [delayed]

tensor: The UX used to be better by a country mile. The liquid glass update was a genuinely serious regression. Is Windows or Android now better? At least those operating systems don't have constant contrast issues and flickering. At this point they probably have more consistency.MacOS reliability has slowly gotten worse and worse, but the UX drop with liquid glass was profound.

Schiendelman: I don't agree with the whining about liquid glass. Sure, it isn't the design you like. But usability really isn't that different.

greatgib: Sad to see Tim Cook leaving as I was enjoying this downtrend of Apple products that is driving users to more open (and better) solutions like Linux PCs. I cross fingers for John Ternus to still be greedy and not being too competent.

Schiendelman: When you say you don't know something about one actor in an equation, you must apply the same thinking to every other actor. It's not useful to go on the path you're going down.

valine: Apple silicon has been an unmitigated success so it makes sense they’d go with Ternus. On a related note Apple needs to add Ternus to their spell check dictionary

anonym00se1: Ternus had essentially nothing to do with Apple silicon. That's all Srouji and his team.

anonym00se1: Ternus is not a hardware genius. He's a hardware engineer that rose through the ranks at Apple because, from what I've heard from Apple hardware engineers, Dan Riccio liking him "like a son."

bombcar: Package managers are wonderful until you step near our outside of the packaged software - then you better hope you're on a big distro otherwise you may be in uncharted territory.