Discussion
Tennessee grandmother jailed after AI facial recognition error links her to fraud
afavour: Insane that this took six months. AI facial recognition should be considered about as reliable as a polygraph, which is to say not usable in court at all.Shame we’ve got ICE agents roaming the country also using facial recognition to find their targets, huh?
orionblastar: I have a face that looks like a lot of other people. I have a name that 500+ men use in the world. I don't do anything bad or criminal, but I could be mistaken for a man who matches my face. Nature creates patterns, and sometimes you get a Mr. Potato Head like me with a common face.
dylan604: Fargo Police Department. That tracks. Are we sure the Cohens were not involved?
jacquesm: Absolutely everybody has face doubles.Identikit got pretty close and there weren't that many bits in there and quite a few of them were hairstyles and that's a choice, not genetics. How many head shapes, noses, eyes, mouths and ears can there be?A few million? Then everybody has a few thousand doubles. 100 Million? Still 80.
Terr_: [delayed]
awwaiid: Yes -- I know at least 3 Orion Blasters.
tartoran: That's why AI should not be used for identification alone, it's unreliable.
garciasn: Correct; NIST recommended (~10 years ago) they be used together: https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1721355115
Barbing: >(saved by her bank records)Don't worry if unbanked, the commercial app industry is already here to save you.“My Location Ledger” https://apps.apple.com/us/app/my-location-ledger/id675780680...I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t aware that some of the various parties already spying on me do have a one in 1 million chance of coming in handy. To that end, tried this years ago but didn’t work immediately:“OwnTracks” (FOSS) https://apps.apple.com/us/app/owntracks/id692424691PS: Flock be ready for our location requests in emergencies, only fair
hamburglar: I wonder if any other men have your face and your name.
angry_octet: I would really love to see the Cohens make a reenactment documentary about American injustices, with the lead-in being "These are real events that happened, names have not been changed."
tartoran: I know polygraphs are not admissible in court but they're still being used and have quite a bit of swaying. I think it's mainly intimidation at play here.Yeah, it's absolutely crazy that it took 6 months to clarify this, if she was rich and had a good lawyer she could've solved it faster. I really hope that she at least gets compensated and/or sues the operators or the AI company.And as far as ICE, I think they don't care that they pick up the wrong people, they just have quotas to reach to unlock bonuses. It's cynical and sad as hell. Hopefully we're gonna be done with them once Trump is gone.
FpUser: Trump is not a problem. System that lets him do what he does is. I used to admire the US back when I lived in USSR. You can guess the way I look at it lately. I still have some hope in people of US, they seem to actually able to stand for their rights every once in a while. We'll see what happens.
comrade1234: I'm finally glad for my large nose.
gnabgib: Don't think that's the take away
lewdev: There was a case where someone's finger prints matched someone who was later found to have an alibi and not be there.So even finger prints are unreliable.
tartoran: Wow, had no idea. Was it a partial fingerprint match? I wonder if 2 people exist that match exactly all 5 fingerprints, seems close to impossible to me.
