Discussion

9999px: I mean in essence it's not a lie. NATO is an American apparatus for all intents and purposes.

llm_nerd: Is this one of those things where Americans ascribe all of the outrageously massive military machine of the US -- the vast majority of which has nothing to do with Europe (see: Being a subjugate vassal state of Israel, which almost always works against NATO goals, and in fact has just sent an unending stream of migrants towards Europe) -- and pretends it's all for Europe? In modern history the US has been the world's number one antagonist, and honestly NATO has been used as a backstop for US imperialism (precisely what the diddler in chief try to do this time too).Right now the US should get kicked out of NATO. Every American base in Europe should be shuttered. Europe can nuke up -- precisely what America tried to avoid -- and we can enjoy the new nuclear powers of Germany, Poland, Canada, etc.And hey look, the grifter halfwit wants to increase the military budget $500B and pull out of NATO.

hersko: Insane that this error made it through their (presumably) competent editorial process. How embarrassing.

bwfan123: Journalism has become theater. With slop. At least they are admitting to the error.

legitster: This is only partially true.America got to design the western world order after WWII, but Europe was happy to give it the reins at the time. America setting the agenda was realistically the only way to get all these countries to agree.The whole "American Imperialism" narrative only came about much later. In reality Europe got a great deal, most countries got to set their own agenda, and the USSR was contained.

guiraldelli: > The whole "American Imperialism" narrative only came about much later.That is not true: Monroe Doctrine [1] was there before World War II. Actually, 120 years before.[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine

legitster: In it's original form, the Monroe Doctrine was anti-imperial. It's tone changed during America's brief flirtation with empire at the turn of the century.