Discussion
Hawaii’s worst flooding in 20 years threatens dam, prompts evacuations as more rain looms
tadfisher: I was in Oahu last week in a place that experienced 10 inches of rainfall in one day. I had never been in a situation where stepping outside felt like turning on a shower.
longislandguido: Is it me or is infrastructure in Hawaii in general really terrible and falling apart? Much more so than the mainland.
semicolon_storm: Everything's more costly in Hawaii, including maintaining infrastructure
GunnarHolwerda: This is true we work with emergency management in Hawaii. Look up the Jones Act. All shipped goods end up having to hit the mainland before going to Hawaii which is a major contributor to increased costs of goods there.
huijzer: Hawaii again? I hope it’s not too bad for the non-zuckerbergs
phainopepla2: Are there people out there with Zuckerberg derangement syndrome, who can't hear about something only distantly related without bringing him up?Kauai, where Zuckerberg's estate is, has not been affected. So yes, it's been bad for non-Zuckerbergs
raziel2701: Will Zuckerberg swoop in to buy all those properties?
vladgur: A quick google search on jones act and hawaii reveals this page hosted by International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU)https://www.ilwulocal142.org/news-item/jones-act-fact-vs-myt...Few things listed there are clearly false."Myth #2: The Jones Act Raises Prices for Hawai‘i Residents.However, a comprehensive 2020 study by Reeve & Associates and TZ Economics found that this is simply not true.Their survey compared the prices of 200 consumer goods—including groceries, household items, clothing, and automobiles—at major retailers like Costco, Home Depot, Target, and Walmart in both Honolulu and Los Angeles. The results showed that prices in Hawai‘i were, on average, only 0.5% higher than on the mainland, a negligible difference that cannot be attributed to the Jones Act alone."As a frequent visitor to Oahu, i stop by Costco on the way from the airport and i can see that most consumables including milk and meat is 30-50% more expensive than at Northern California Costco. This is representative across local supermarkets as well.So its seems that this union is trying to minimise the impact of shipping on costs of everyday goodsCritics dismiss this study as bogus:https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/2020/07/shipping-industry..."using online prices to compare food prices at Hawaii versus Los Angeles stores is problematic. A visit today to the Keeaumoku Street Walmart showed an 18-ounce box of Cheerios selling for $4.26, before tax, versus $3.64 for its listed online price, and a four-pack of 5-ounce cans of albacore tuna for $8.43 versus $6.74 online."That is actually true, Keamoku Walmart does not pricematch to their online prices and the only way to get those prices is to place an pickup order and wait for several hours to pick up at those prices.
mothballed: IlWU are crooks, but I thought jones act said intranational trade had to be by us flagged and manned ship. Not thst foreign trade couldn't unload directly there on foreign ship or that it had to go to mainland first.
