Discussion

Terms of Service

throwa356262: Are people really happy with zed or is this a vocal minority we see on HN?I have tried zed multiple times and always uninstall it after a few days because of the ugly font rendering, slow response time (!), high memory usage (!!) and being very buggy in general. And don't even get me started on their AI-first shenanigans.This is on Linux, maybe it works better on other platforms.

serial_dev: Same experience, I heard about them in some podcasts, it all sounded good, performance, from the ground up, rust, collaboration, whatever.Tried it, it was the worse experience I had with an editor since I started my career… then I tried it again because maybe they figured it out… it’s still bad.

criticalfault: if you would say you are writing about zed, I'd think you were writing about vscode.I can't believe the latency of browser based editor is acceptable to people

charcircuit: Why aren't they willing to break the law while they are still a small company?

postepowanieadm: Make it 21. Better safe than sorry.

throwa356262: Lets make it 35. We can not trust people who have not raised a kid themselves.

Hamuko: Shit, what age am I gonna have that government-issued kid given to raise?

feverzsj: Because it's the only good free IDE for rust.

serial_dev: I am not sure I have the same definition of “love my editor again” (from their landing page) as the Zed team… my definition is PG. I don’t see a reason that I need to be 18 to use a code editor.

ramon156: I'm very happy with zed if I have to compare it to any intellij productIf you're using Windows (+ WSL) then yes, there's a hunch of memory issues currently. Apart from Windows I've never issues though, especially seeing as how intellij indexing takes >1 min and hogs my memory during that period.The only reason I'm not switching is because Zed's vim bindings are aaalmost perfect. I did not like Vim Mode in VSC or intellij IDE's since it's another keymap I have to learn next to my nvim setup

Hamuko: I find it okay on macOS. Font rendering isn't the best but palatable.

bigyabai: Sigh, for the umpteenth time this week: Zed’s AI-enabled software-as-a-service offering (the “Service”) Customer must be at least 18 years old to use the Service.

keyle: Quoting directly from their terms change email You must be 18 or older to use Zed

keyle: It used to be the best. Straight to the point, simple, great settings.

thoughtfulchris: Personally I love it. It just feels fast and minimal. I'm on Mac.

senectus1: yes but a calcification was issued, shortly after it started the blow up over 24 hours ago.

detaro: where?

KingOfCoders: I initially loved Zed because it was so much snappier than VSCode/Cursor, but running several Zed instances made my Ryzen/32gb machine unusable together with Claude because Zed seems such a memory hog. Not using it currently anymore. (Win11)

himata4113: neovim works just as good... as long as you ask AI to set it up for you.

srik: I loathe that I'm pessimistic about this but I think they're laying the groundwork to be acquired in one form or another.

throwa356262: No, I had issues on native Linux. At one point it used 4x available memory and brought down the entire system.Maybe this is a vim thing? What do emacs and vscode users feel about zed?

bestest: Same. MacOS. Tried it. Was okay-ish for several days. But eventually I realised it's worse than WebStorm in basically every aspect, subjectively speaking.It is slow, it's missing features and it is buggy.

mastermage: That seems odd

mrsssnake: It is for their online service, not the editor software.

rvz: What's next? You must be 18+ years old to use a Raspberry Pi.

tuzemec: Went to Zed from Sublime and never looked back (I'm on Mac). Never touched VSCode apart of small tests to see that the project setting (format on save, etc) will work for my colleagues. Can't stand it.I have opened at all times at least 3-4 medium sized front-end projects and at least one large python project and never had memory issues.

throawayonthe: "...along with our downloadable Zed software (the “Software”) and related subscription service (the “Service”). ""Customer must be at least 18 years old to use the Service"this pretty clearly refers to the subscription service and not to the 'downloadable software' or source code

blitzar: Zed's dead baby

kalterdev: /bin/ed wouldn't ask your age. It would simply deduce it.

notenlish: [delayed]

mort96: Read the next sentence:> By agreeing to these Terms, Customer represents and warrants to Zed that: (a) Customer is at least 18 years old"these Terms" are the terms you need to agree to in order to download the editor. You can't agree to them if you're under 18.

FireInsight: Gotta have someone over 18 click the button for you then I guess.

deafpolygon: wonder if they’re getting ready to showcase a series of ‘gone wild’ llm’s.

steve_adams_86: I've been using it daily for about a year now. I love it. Using most other IDEs feels like a major regression. Multi-buffers are beautifully implemented. I typically use Claude Code if I use an LLM, but their Claude integration is excellent.Debugging is good. I'd love to see integrated test runners.I also wish the collaboration was more relevant and fleshed out, but no one I know uses it anyway.

ThePowerOfFuet: >ARBITRATION NOTICE. Except for certain kinds of disputes described in Section 15.2 (Dispute Resolution and Arbitration), you agree that disputes arising under these Terms will be resolved by binding, individual arbitration, and BY ACCEPTING THESE TERMS, YOU AND ZED ARE EACH WAIVING THE RIGHT TO A TRIAL BY JURY OR TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY CLASS ACTION OR REPRESENTATIVE PROCEEDING. ALTERNATIVELY, CUSTOMER MAY OPT OUT OF ARBITRATION PER SECTION 15.2(a).That's gonna be a no from me, dawg.

hagbard_c: a calcification was issued...Now here's an area where one of those newfangled large language models actually could do some good: create a spelling checker which doesn't gleefully replace somewhat misspelled or 'mis-swiped' words with correctly spelled but contextually clearly nonsensical ones.

bigstrat2003: I tried Zed. It's alright. Unfortunately the devs think it's ok to download and run extra software without asking me (specifically node.js but it would be bad no matter what the software was). I am not willing to use software where the developers have such a cavalier approach to the user's PC, so I went back to Sublime.

roughly: I’m on a mac - I’ve been poking at zed a bit and it’s… fine? I was a die hard Textmate user, but that’s not just dead but decayed at this point, and I’ve yet to find anything as good.

TranquilMarmot: They really messed up here by overloading "Zed" to mean both "Zed, the open source editor" and "Zed, the AI platform".Really should have called the AI offerings "Zed AI" so as to differentiate it more and avoid confusion like this.

mort96: Sigh, for the umpteenth time this week. The very next sentence after the one you quoted: By agreeing to these Terms, Customer represents and warrants to Zed that: (a) Customer is at least 18 years old "these Terms" are the terms you need to agree to in order to download the editor. You can't agree to them if you're under 18.

TranquilMarmot: I've been using it as a replacement for VSCode/Cursor for the past few months and really like it.There have been recent changes to the font rendering, it now looks good on my 1440p monitor - when I first tried, it was blurry and instantly gave me a headache. It does seem strange to me that *font rendering* of all things is what a text editor has trouble with. Precise font rendering should be table stakes here.As for performance/memory usage, it's been top-notch for me on both Linux and macOS.I had originally switched to try and get away from Microsoft's "only focus on AI features" trend in VSCode, but it seems like Zed has fallen into the same trap.

TranquilMarmot: Gotta be able to hit that Ballmer Peak

TranquilMarmot: They did send out a follow-up email about this earlier this week:---Our email yesterday was imprecise relative to our actual new Terms. To be specific:- You must be at least 18 years old to use the Service (Zed’s AI-enabled software-as-a-service offering, including features like account creation/sign in, Zed Free and Zed Pro, and collaboration). See https://zed.dev/terms#21-eligibility. We set the threshold at 18 due to children's data privacy obligations under COPPA, equivalent international frameworks, and an increasing number of state and regional laws that extend protections to anyone under 18. Those regulations require parental consent verification, age-gated data handling, and separate retention policies for minors. Building and maintaining that infrastructure is a real cost for a small team, and getting it wrong carries regulatory risk. Setting the line at 18 lets us maintain a single privacy framework for all account holders without carve-outs.- Zed's Software (open source code editing software) is governed by our open source licenses. In cases where the open source license can govern, it will over the Terms. See https://zed.dev/terms#24-restrictions.If you have questions, reply to this email or reach us at legal@zed.dev.---

mort96: Yet the terms that you have to agree to in order to download and use the editor say:> By agreeing to these Terms, Customer represents and warrants to Zed that: (a) Customer is at least 18 years old

TranquilMarmot: https://zed.dev/download> By downloading and using Zed, you agree to its terms and conditions.That links to: https://zed.dev/terms> (“Zed,” “we,” or “us”) and our website at www.zed.dev, along with our downloadable Zed software (the “Software”) and related subscription service (the “Service”).Very clearly draws a distinction between the editor (the "Software") and their subscription service (the "Service")> Customer must be at least 18 years old to use the Service.Is very clearly referencing the subscription service (the "Service") and not the editor (the "Software")

TranquilMarmot: https://zed.dev/terms> (“Zed,” “we,” or “us”) and our website at www.zed.dev, along with our downloadable Zed software (the “Software”) and related subscription service (the “Service”).Very clearly draws a distinction between the editor (the "Software") and their subscription service (the "Service")> Customer must be at least 18 years old to use the Service.Is very clearly referencing the subscription service (the "Service") and not the editor (the "Software")

mort96: See my response to your other comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47259138I did not quote "Customer must be at least 18 years old to use the Service" because I, like you, don't find it to be a problem. I don't know why you're saying it back to me. I quoted a different sentence, namely "By agreeing to these Terms, Customer represents and warrants to Zed that: (a) Customer is at least 18 years old", because I think that sentence is a problem. I would appreciate if you would discuss the part of the ToS which I referenced instead of an irrelevant part which I haven't brought up.

mort96: Notice how I did not quote the "Customer must be at least 18 years old to use the Service" part. That sentence is completely non-problematic. The part that's a problem is the part I actually quoted: By agreeing to these Terms, Customer represents and warrants to Zed that: (a) Customer is at least 18 years old The "Terms" is earlier defined to mean: these Terms of Service, the Data Processing Addendum (“DPA”), available upon request, and Zed’s Privacy Policy So the Terms you have to agree to in order to download the editor, clearly state that by agreeing to the Terms, you warrant that you're 18+. ("Customer" is defined to be a synonym for "You", FWIW).

PonyoSunshine: Tried Zed, never could get into Zed, I found it too slow and cludgy. These days I use Tabby, Neovim, with Lazyvim, and the Victor Mono Nerd Font. It works well enough for me. I have yet to explore connecting it to Claude, that might be an interesting thing. I don't think I'm ever going to be ok with age restrictions within an IDE.

AnonHP: Dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47240158 from yesterday

janalsncm: Zed is open source. Would be nice if someone forked it and ripped this out.

AnonHP: Gram [1] is a fork of Zed with all these removed. It seems to depend on more involvement from others to keep it going though.[1]: https://codeberg.org/GramEditor/gram

az09mugen: Thanks for the link of this unbloated version of Zed.

throawayonthe: no? again above it says:By accessing or using the Service, you (“You” or “Customer”) agree to these Terms of Service, the Data Processing Addendum (“DPA”), available upon request, and Zed’s Privacy Policy (collectively, the “Terms”).If you are not eligible, or do not agree to the Terms, you may not access or use the Service.pretty clearly again referring to only 'the Service' -- which does not include their website or app

mort96: If you do not agree to the Terms, you may not download or use the editor. The download page says that "by downloading and using the editor, you agree to the terms". If you aren't over 18, you can't agree to the terms.

throawayonthe: oh then that's pretty silly yeahexcept i'd still say that even if you "agree to the terms" most of them still apply conditionally upon using the service, and the language about 18 is also specifically about the service

bpev: I haven't had this experience (on macOS, it is quite fast), but I have read this exact same complaint about rendering/slowness from other Linux users a handful of times. So I think those might be more platform-specific issues. I do see high memory usage, though. So I enjoy using Zed when I want to use AI, and prefer Sublime when I want to fly solo.

cml123: don't think they understood the reference

senectus1: https://zed.dev/blog/terms-updateAge requirement. You must be 18 or older to use Zed’s AI-enabled software-as-a-service offering (the “Service").

lukaslalinsky: I'm probably missing something. Are there some new laws requiring age checks for LLM-related services?

blitzar: It's all I think of when I see posts about Zed.Bring out the gimp.

nickalekhine: I agree there are really noticeable issues on Linux. For example, closing file windows is shockingly slow. I'm talking like 500ms+ to close on a high end Ubuntu machine.The macOS version is where they've invested the most optimizations for sure. None of the issues you've described occur on there. Fwiw, I've been daily driving the editor on my mac for about a year with almost no complaints.

nextaccountic: Zed, the editor, is not 18+. It's just the AI offering