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US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

techblueberry: Wait a “pledge”? What are the legal protections of a “pledge”?Claude:“To your main question — is a pledge a legal document? Generally, no. A pledge is a public commitment or statement of intent, not a binding legal contract. The agreement doesn’t appear to carry any concrete, binding commitments. There’s no penalty mechanism or enforcement structure the way a contract would have.“

thejazzman: considering how we uphold treaties im not sure the terminology matters one way or the other

SpicyLemonZest: I don't think there's any mechanism in US law for anyone to make a binding promise about terms they plan to include in contracts they might sign with unspecified local governments in the future.Congress could pass a new law requiring it, of course, but I think we all understand that this would not accomplish the administration's real goal of letting Trump prove he's the specialest boy and everyone has to give him what he wants.

AdieuToLogic: Using Claude to provide a legal definition of "pledge" is unconvincing at best.> What are the legal protections of a “pledge”?To answer that question is to first agree upon the legal definition of "pledge": pledge v. to deposit personal property as security for a personal loan of money. If the loan is not repaid when due, the personal property pledged shall be forfeit to the lender. The property is known as collateral. To pledge is the same as to pawn. 2) to promise to do something.[0] Without careful review of the document signed, it is impossible to verify which form of the above is applicable in this case.> A pledge is a public commitment or statement of intent, not a binding legal contract.This very well may be incorrect in this context and serves an exemplar as to why relying upon statistical document generation is not a recommended legal strategy.0 - https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1544

glaucon: | Congress could pass a new law requiring it, of course, but I think we all understand that this would not accomplish the administration's real goal of letting Trump prove he's the specialest boy and everyone has to give him what he wants.... plus it would require "tech firms" to actually modify their behaviour and that would never do.

cs702: "The invisible hand" of free markets has become truly invisible...

techblueberry: Wait, we know it’s not your definition, because it’s inapplicable.

Freedom2: I'd be cautious about using Claude, given that they're designated as a supply chain risk by the US Government. Why not use the approved and officially certified ChatGPT instead?

fulafel: Does it include externalities (co2 emissions)?

XorNot: I'm assuming there's a missing /s tag there.

AdieuToLogic: > Wait, we know it’s not your definition ...Of course it is not "my definition", as I cited the source of it.> ... because it’s inapplicable.Take that up with law.com.

mcs5280: Non-binding and voluntary = a bunch of lip service

mattas: Pledges are somewhere between a pinky swear and a high five.

retrochameleon: Your answer is less useful and thought out than the Claude response. Claude actually answers the question in the context in which it's being asked.

AdieuToLogic: > Your answer is less useful and thought out than the Claude response."Less useful" is subjective and I shall not contend. "Less thought out" is laughable as I possess the ability to think and "Claude" does not.> Claude actually answers the question in the context in which it's being asked.The LLM-based service generated a statistically relevant document to the prompt given in which you, presumably a human, interpreted said document as being "actually answers the question". This is otherwise known as anthropomorphism[0].0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropomorphism

drak0n1c: Most forms of company civic greatness in the past were essentially pledges, much of the time unspoken. It's certainly possible, we don't need to be cynical.

7thpower: Even if the pledges are in good faith, people are being naive about how utilities work.The general goal for utilities has been to pursue the next “thing” and work toward some sort of regulation to lock in demand, which can be used as a lever to seek price increases and consolidate.If there’s margin to be had, the utilities will find a way, and prices will go up either way.

powerpcmac: The only people who believes corpo jackoffery these days are either boomers or people investing their remaining money in big line go up

h4kunamata: This is USA so we all know that those techs companies won't pay a cent back at the end, but the population will.

lurk2: You can just use a traditional search engine for this. I have no interest in reading your LLM output.

magicalist: > Most forms of company civic greatness in the past were essentially pledges, much of the time unspoken.You're looking at the the conditional the wrong way. You want to look at how often pledges lead to "company civic greatness" (or even, you know, anything net positive) to start guessing at the value of a given pledge.

deaux: Strange downvotes for a relevant question.

miyoji: You can read the actual pledge at [0]. The executive order regarding it is at [1].There's some speculation in the comments about what is or isn't in the pledge. I recommend reading it yourself.[0] https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2026/03/ratepayer-protec...[1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/03/rate...

techblueberry: The thing about the old days is, they’s the old days.And yes this particular group of professional liars provide every reason to be cynical.

staticman2: Your goal seemed to be to fact check Claude. I'm not sure why your failure to do so should be taken up with law.com?Law.com's first definition is inapplicable. That leaves us with the second definition, which says nothing about whether a pledge is legally binding.

AdieuToLogic: > Your goal seemed to be to fact check Claude.No, this is not my goal. My goal was to illuminate that Claude is a product which produces the most statistically relevant content to a prompt submitted therein.> I'm not sure why your failure to do so should be taken up with law.com?The post to which I originally replied cited "Claude" as if it were an authoritative source. To which I disagreed and then provided a definition from law.com. Where is my failure?> Law.com's first definition is inapplicable.From the article: The pledge includes a commitment by technology companies to bring or buy electricity supplies for their datacenters, either from new power plants or existing plants with expanded output capacity. It also includes commitments from big tech to pay for upgrades to power delivery systems and to enter special electricity rate agreements with utilities.[0] > That leaves us with the second definition, which says nothing about whether a pledge is legally binding.To which I originally wrote: Without careful review of the document signed, it is impossible to verify which form of the above is applicable in this case. 0 - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/04/us-tech-comp...