Discussion
systemd birthDate Merge: Corporate Filings, Conflicts of Interest, and Governance Failure
righthand: Why doesn’t someone fork systemd and start reworking/taking out all the icky parts as well as destroying Poettering’s control over it?Debian’s forced accepting of Systemd is finally rearing it’s ugly head.I am glad I switched to Devuan earlier this year.
iugtmkbdfil834: I think.. because good inits already exist and systemD is an abomination unto god. Heavens know I was fully expecting agent integration soon...
Foxboron: This just reads like a LLM trying to come up with a conspiracy theory around systemd.It somehow got hyper-fixated on "three" for no particular reason and seems like it decided to harpen down that fact without explaining anything around it?
iugtmkbdfil834: It was a long time coming, but it now happened. SystemD managed to do something that might give people pause over convenience factor. I am saying might, because while I am now actively planning ( until now I treated it as ideologically impure aspect of linux, but sufficiently useful to offset that discomfort ). DOB merge ( and how it was done ) changes that calculus by a wide margin. It is not even about DOB now. It is the full blown slippery slope with MS doing round 2 of EEE.
withinboredom: The mailing list doesn't seem to make it out into such a controversial issue. It's an optional field that doesn't require a real birthday.
righthand: The issue isn’t the field but how the governance system for critical software is non-existant.
righthand: I agree but all the proponents of it have said “it’s so convenient who cares”. That obviously states there are some features that bring value. I’m hard pressed to believe you need ALL of systemd architected how it is for those claims to hold.
iugtmkbdfil834: There is value in not having to think about stuff too much. As my buddy sometimes says: 'I work support all the time, I don't want to do it at home as well.' Hard to argue with that. Heavens know I have less time for random exploration and related troubleshooting. But.. at certain point, that convenience is nulled by.. bad ideas.I honestly didn't decide which path ( well, distro really )I am choosing, but I know it will not contain systemd if I can help it.
VladStanimir: I don't see the problem with the systemd DOB merger, the DOB will have to be stored somewhere and systemd already has a place where user information is securely stored so they added a new field to the user database.The alternative is not that no DOB will be stored is that it will end up stored in 20 different locations on the filesystem.
sqidyyy: The "DiRUG reform" link leads nowhere and I can't find that particular site neither on bmj.de nor the Wayback Machine. Is that an hallucinated artifact?
withinboredom: Because someone added a new user field? Does that need governance?
