Discussion
Swappa.com for GrapheneOS compatible devices - STAY AWAY
djhope99: Uh oh. I just brought a pixel 6a from Swappa, was hoping to use a different os. Not arrived yet though.
deeplowdock: I wonder why almost no one in these GrapheneOS praise topic mentions that you won't be able to pay with your phone, and often even bank apps refuse to install on it - it was a deal breaker for me personally, and now I'm back under Google umbrella :<
cyanydeez: Paying with your phone just seems like one of those separation of concerns problem. I'm sure you have backup forms, and cash, etc, but there's something about not having to worry about the multinefarious capabilities of my phone if it's not in my posession.
deeplowdock: You could then separate the audio system from your car and drive around with a boombox
ramon156: Fair point, but how much extra effort is it to put a credit card between your phone? I'm still under the Google umbrella as well, but this would be my first issue solved.
erelong: Swappa has been "ok" in my experienceI had issues with receiving incompatible "variants" of compatible devices when shopping for used phone for custom roms
hnuser435: Limitations are on the website - https://grapheneos.org/articles/ I don't care about google pay/wallet or android auto. My credit union's app does work fine, but even if it didn't, I'd still use GOS. It's great.
BLKNSLVR: I gets mentioned on every GrapheneOS thread I've read.
McDev: FWIW I've tested Android Auto before with sandboxed Google Play, works fine.
beej71: I was just about to buy something from them, but maybe not now. I want a used pixel--where is the best marketplace for that?
yogthos: I just bought an official Pixel 9 to install GrapheneOS, and the process couldn't be simpler. Their webusb installer is extremely polished. You just plug your phone in, click through a few steps, and you're done. There's absolutely no reason to bother looking for a phone with GrapheneOS already preinstalled.As a side note, I've been using it for a few months now, and it works great. All the apps I use run on it just fine. Battery life is great, and you don't have a bunch of cruft from Google running on your device. Can highly recommend for anybody looking for a phone you actually own.
OsrsNeedsf2P: I'm trying to go through Swappa to help reduce waste and save a bit of money. Unfortunately, when I decided to go second-hand, I didn't expect issues like this.
kay_o: This is not the related of preinstalled. Swappa is selling bootloader permanently locked forever phones as bootloader unlockable
edm0nd: Yup, Chase Bank app will not load at all. I think its a "security" feature that it wont load on rooted phones lol
NewJazz: Difference is a plastic card that is lighter and smaller than the phone is just as effective as the phone is for payments. When it comes to audio, a car stereo is going to be much more convenient and brtter quality than a boombox or bluetooth. That said, i did know someone with an older car who used a bluetooth speaker instead of their stereo, so they could connect their phone audio.
0x3f: I don't know about where you live but here contactless card payments have lower limits than phone-based ones. Also the phone allows me to switch between multiple cards, including transit-specific cards.
troyvit: I've gotten used pixels off of ebay more than once and never had a problem. I feel like if it was that simple swappa.com wouldn't exist though. Maybe I've been lucky?
fwipsy: I've also had good experiences on eBay. Buyers can leave bad reviews for anything so good reviews are a strong indicator. (That said, there are plenty of "genuine" laptop batteries for $15 from high-scoring sellers.)I feel like eBay put a lot of work into creating a competitive marketplace where honesty was rewarded, and it basically works well but they got an unsavory reputation anyways. Then Amazon tried to hide that complexity from the end user and buyers just get burned. Maybe Swappa is trying to go the Amazon route? I do not think there are real shortcuts here. Either the marketplace needs to vet sellers manually, or offer a competitive, transparent reputation system like eBay.
theandrewbailey: I guess I'm so paranoid that not only do I run GrapheneOS, I've never had nor wanted banking nor payment apps on my phone. Having ALL my money be accessible from something so easily lost, stolen, or seized would be a constant source of stress for me. There's (hopefully) a lot of security around accessing it, but sometimes the only winning move is not to play.
ethagnawl: For many GrapheneOS users, this class of annoyances is an acceptable concession.
chappi42: GrapheneOS phones are not rooted.
lnx01: In the context of an online marketplace "Unlocked" means "Not carrier locked". This has _nothing_ to do with the bootloader.
hmry: > we are unfortunately not able to guarantee bootloader unlocking, as it is not feasible for us to search through thousands of devices in order to find one that isOhhhh, is that how it works? Maybe I should try that next time. Instead of selling broken hardware as "NOT TESTED, AS IS, PARTS MACHINE" I should sell them as "100% working!" and when someone asks, I'll tell them "sorry, it's not feasible to search through all devices and find the working ones"
uyzstvqs: Imagine a supermarket telling you "sorry, it's not feasible to check the expiration dates on all of our products".
kube-system: That essentially is the case. Grocery stores make a best effort to remove expired foods but you can often find expired food on the shelf in the US.Go make a stink about it at the customer service desk and they will probably say exactly that.
compass_copium: I feel like supermarkets more or less do tell you this--I get expired crap all the time if I don't check myself.
