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IranStrike — Real-Time Missile Tracker | Iran Israel Live Radar
embedding-shape: https://iran.liveuamap.com/ is a more human curated experience of pretty much the same thing (+ more), albeit not as flashy and a more traditional UI compared to the obviously LLM-generated UI + colorscheme.
seydor: what purpose does this serve? betting ?
the_arun: I like the user interface. How is the data collected? is it community driven?
cc-d: sourced from MOB ;)
iknowstuff: The llm one seems better. Whats making you assert “obviously llm generated”?It does remind me ofhttps://robotaxitracker.com/https://unitedstarlinktracker.com/But they’re all great
slg: One of the more unintentionally depressing comments I have ever seen on HN, the first guess on the "purpose" of reporting on a war is to profit from it by gambling. Our society has gotten to a dark place.
ryanwhitney: Seems like the sword and shield icons are backwards in terms of who started the war.
locusofself: and what is MOB
locusofself: Why the hell is Iran bombing other middle eastern states, like UAE?I'm quite naive about these conflicts but it seems like whoever is in charge of the Iran military really has a death wish. I wouldn't be surprised if Iran is a parking lot by the end of the year at this rate.
JumpCrisscross: The interception disparity really drives home how air superiority dominates modern war planning. (That and not getting scammed on Russian kit.)
HardCodedBias: I doubt that the Russian kit is a scam.I'm sure it is reasonably good. It just can't compete with the US's combination of technology, quantity, and operational excellence.I don't mean that in a rah-rah way, it just seems to be the reality.
JumpCrisscross: > It just can't compete with the US's combination of technology, quantity, and operational excellenceOr Israeli. In India, it couldn’t compete with Chinese kit.If Russia sold its air-defence systems as only protecting against Hezbollah-caliber munitions, you’d be correct. They didn’t. They pitched it as a bulwark against a superpower. (Saddam learned the same lesson in 2003.)
nullhole: "What fools we are to live in a generation for which war is a computer game for our children and just an interesting little Channel 4 news item"- Tony Benn, MP, in the UK parliament, speaking against a resolution authorizing bombing of Iraq in 1998https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfXmpJRZPYI
whatshisface: There are a lot of good answers here. Another reason not mentioned yet is that most of the Middle East is aligned with US/Israel. Israel being surrounded by scary enemies, instead of Turkey (a NATO member), Jordan (deeply and unequally tied to Israel's economy from decades of US-led treaty-writing), Egypt... is not exactly reality.
ale: Because the UAE happily keeps their air space open to the US, and their economy is driven (largely) by rich westerners.
ceejayoz: More importantly, the US has actual bases there.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Dhafra_Air_BaseAnd dozens of others, in Jordan, Iraq, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman...https://www.americansecurityproject.org/national-security-st...
dyauspitr: I’m not seeing any simulations. It’s just a text feed?
JumpCrisscross: > Why the hell is Iran bombing other middle eastern states, like UAE?The theory was probably that the Gulf states are only begrudgingly going along with Washington in this war, and that the moment they start seeing costs they’ll personally call Trump to stop it. What Iran miscalculated on are the Gulf’s (a) long-time frustrations with Tehran, (b) massive bets on economies that suffer from capitulation and (c) monarchies being a stubborn lot.Alternate hypothesis: Iran’s hardliners think escalating the war lets them consolidate more of a smaller pie. (If you’re looking for the truly WTF moves, it’s targeting Cyprus and Azerbaijan, the latter who has Iran’s sizable Azeri minority right on its border.)
tharmas: As said by others Iran is attacking US Military bases in these countries not the countries themselves.
reissbaker: No, it attacked Azerbaijan's airport and Saudi oil refineries, among many other civilian targets. They're just hitting whatever they can.
heyitsmedotjayb: The creator of this dashboard is Israeli - given some of the questions about the sword/shield icons, labelling of countries as belligerents/targets etc. I felt it was relevant to state this. Not to mention selective information bias.
dacox: i feel like i misunderstand the UI - it seems to show coalition strikes mostly being intercepted? or does the bottom row refer to strikes against coalition forces?
ceejayoz: > I doubt that the Russian kit is a scam.I think there are pretty clear signs.The T-14 Armata and Sukhoi Su-57 not really showing up in Ukraine, for example. As well as the S-500, which seems to be vulnerable to even 1990s tech like the ATACMS.
Imustaskforhelp: This is quite concerning. Your comment made me somehow wonder if the people of Israel seem to support this war and it turns out that the answer is sort of yes[0]I remember Witold pilecki during these times although polish, he was the first person to report the allies about the atrocities happening within the holocaust which the allies thought were not even possible, they thought he was exaggerating, that there was no way that this level of atrocity can take place.Only to see the nation torn up by that atrocity to be in the next few generations be the one supporting a war which has no end in sight, a war which is killing school children, civilians and so many more.I just pray that the world can get better because I am worried for the jewish population because I am seeing hatred towards the group themselves online. Some of which don't want to do anything with the war and live normal lives, I just hope that they can use their voice to stand for what's right in terms of humanitarianism.It's gonna be a cycle of hatred which breeds more hatred which is only gonna lead to pain. I hope that people of israel realize the option of peace too and protest against their govt. and I am hearing protests from the US side but not so much from the Israeli side. A world run on wars has no winners. People are also questioning how much US had a say in the war after Marco Rubio's statement and these wars are sadly gonna lead to more anti-semitism in the future affecting the normal jewish population the most.I genuinely hope that in the future that, Israeli people can try to reflect on the whole situation and try to create an internal pressure to stop war.Humanity can actually try to uplift itself but it seems that we are flailing downwards.[0]: https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-most-jewish-israelis-supp...
swat535: I'm Iranian (albeit Christian) and unfortunately.. Iranians _also_ support this war (specifically the Shia sect supporting the regime). As a matter of fact, they have been _praying_ for this.Shia Muslims have a strong martyrdom culture in comparison to Sunnis. This is why assassination of Khamenei didn't do anything in terms of disruption. He was martyred during the holy month of Ramadan and they welcomed it. All US did was created another honorable martyr for them.I know it's difficult for Westerners to grasp how someone could pray for their own death but this is what they do. Decapitating their leadership doesn't do much because the next guy just takes over.30% of the population in IRAN is composed of these fanatics and they will gladly give up their lives for IRGC. In a country of 90M, that amounts to a lot of people. IRAN has very difficult terrain and IRGC has been preparing for this war for the past 30 years. They don't care about the lives of Iranians, US can bomb Tehran to hell and they will not care. They have nothing to lose and will gladly sacrifice innocent people.The Shia's motto is: "Every day is Ashura, every land is Karbala" [0], [1]I think this is going to be a difficult conflict for everyone.[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashura [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karbala
cc-d: i'm not really sure. they keep shouting out MOB though, I don't think they really have definition
slg: Considering this is a joint operation by the US and Israel plus the plurality if not the majority of the users of HN being American, I wonder would you have felt the need to comment this if the creator was American?
Imustaskforhelp: > I'm Iranian (albeit Christian) and unfortunately.. Iranians _also_ support this war (specifically the Shia sect supporting the regime). As a matter of fact, they have been _praying_ for this.I actually agree with you. This is the reason why I am saying that Israel/US shouldn't have given it to the Iranian regime as well.Because as we both know that Iranian regime and the Iranian people are different will and it seems that this war is gonna impact the Iranian people the people I am worried about from my original comment and it was my attempt to suggest de-escalation of war feels the better route.> I think this is going to be a difficult conflict for everyone. & > US can bomb Tehran to hell and they will not care. They have nothing to lose and will gladly sacrifice innocent people.I agree with this too and this is why I am saying that innocent people will lose their lives in this conflict and I am sure that you must've heard of the horrible incidents happening too.I had a friend who was Iranian and they were Muslim (I never asked their sect) and they were against the regime as well, quite a lot actually.I am curious to know what your thoughts are on the peace of the situation. I suppose you want peace as well for the people, right?My point was that the jewish faith within israel/israeli people themselves in general could better rally for peace given that they had a very messy past as well with regards to atrocities which is something that we aren't seeing, with regards to either the palestine or now Iran where in both cases, the innocent normal everyday people lives are getting killed.I just want peace. That's all.
dang: Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and/or flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
cc-d: We have many members past and present of law enforcement, at all levels, as well as those in your political "power" apparatus compromised as well ;)
paustint: Same. Why does it have a "belligerent" tag/badge - that seems to indicate bias.But other than not understanding the data, the UI looks really fancy.
orwin: Yeah, Shi'a are weird, on one hand it bear the most secular, laical Muslim society during all the middle age until the 20th century, on the other hand it regularly spawn death cults, with the IRGC being it's latest (and arguably strongest) iteration.
seydor: what i find sad is a dashboard so that taxpayers can watch their money turning to murder in real time.the redeeming quality is that the information is extremely incomplete , lots of things happening we don't see or know about
slg: >what i find sad is a dashboard so that taxpayers can watch their money turning to murder in real time.The existence of a dashboard is not an inherent endorsement of that murder. It's easy to look at this dashboard as a critique of that murder even if that wasn't the intent of the author. However, your initial jump to assuming that this dashboard is more likely to serve a financial purpose does reveal an actual political ideology (although not necessarily your political ideology), a cold dehumanizing capitalistic ideology, the kind I would consider largely responsible for those murders.
seydor: Can you explain what purpose it serves and why, other than those i suggested. That was my initial question
Imustaskforhelp: I may be wrong but I think that, any theocractic country to retain its power, is very likely to treat any minor differences as something huge to maintain its relevancy.Even treating the citizens of its own who are unhappy with the govt. can be treated as betrayal or propagandized by the theocracy to retain its power and curb dissentment of which IRGC is part of.I feel like its worth mentioning that Iran had actual democracy with Mohammad Mosaddegh but the CIA got involved for (oil purposes) and overthrew the democracy to get the Shah and Shah although liberal in say how girls wore, was still a very brutal dictatorIt was the students themselves and religious figures and everyday citizens that got united to fight against the shah and they had thought that things would get better but they hadn't decided as to what next and so the religious power seized Iran affecting the very students that helped them get into power.So I do think that the idea about foreign govt. overthrowing your govt. made the extremist sectors of shia gaining power after the 20'th century.The story of average iranian is sad because they never got to witness democracy in its full form because as soon as it did, America/British tried to overthrow the democracy in worries about soviet connection/socialism and the religious leaders took that moment and gained power and brutally oppressed their own regime. Both sides are extremely messed up and all of this just mess/conflict could've been prevented which has made 90 million people live in tyranny under the Islamic regime and now also in danger of war :(
idontwantthis: I don’t think Iran ever thought their defenses would do jack in a full on invasion. They thought (rightfully) that their defenses would force the US to go all in if they wanted to do anything significant.
JumpCrisscross: > don’t think Iran ever thought their defenses would do jack in a full on invasionI imagine they thought it might shoot down one plane. Or their anti-ship missiles might hit one ship.
slg: Maybe this will help, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism
tharmas: The Iranians are denying the Azerbaijan airport attack and the attack on Saudi oil facilities. Mossad false flag to provoke a war between Azerbaijan and Iran and get the gulf states to be motivated to attack Iran? It could be an Iranian drone hit the Saudi oil facility unintentionally. Its like the Girl's school that was hit in Iran. It looks like it was a target because the building was once used by the Iranian military. Old/stale database data the AI used to pick its targets?To be clear, I am no fan of the Iran regime. Just trying to keep my head above the BS/propaganda that gets put out/repeated by the news agencies. There are no "good guys" here.
JumpCrisscross: > Iranians are denying the Azerbaijan airport attack and the attack on Saudi oil facilitiesAre they also denying the attacks on Dubai's hotels and Oman?> There are no "good guys" hereThere usually aren't in any war. But to the degree this war has a solid bad guy, it's Iran.