Discussion

DieErde: It’s the relationships, stupid But is it relationships with just anybody? Or relationships with emotionally healthy, intelligent, interesting people who share my interests?And maybe I have to climb Maslow’s pyramid to be compatible with those?

azangru: Is it a style like his that LLMs have recently learned to copy?"It was cold out, but none of us were cold.""In that moment, there was nothing to do. Nothing to improve. Nothing to fix. It was perfect.""We’ve all seen it. Clear as day, you can see the goal post at the top: self-actualization. LFG! It’s time to journal and 80/20 myself! Pass me a shaman and some modafinil. That’s the mission. That’s the point. Right? But hold on.""Because at the end of the day—and at the end of a Montana night—the point was never yourself. It was never the pyramid. It was never the optimization. It was the people around the fire."

bitwize: When my head-voice read "But hold on", I literally heard the "record scratch" associated with comedy movie trailers from the 1990s and 2000s.

nakedneuron: > the point was never yourself.> It was never the pyramid.> It was never the optimization.> It was the people around the fire.

47282847: I believe it’s a lifelong journey towards healthy relationships with anyone. That includes non-violent boundary setting; not friends with everyone, but relationship. Soft boundaries, where you neither cling on to something that was but no longer is without the need to blame self or other, nor you avoid contact with something new and unknown.

eucyclos: I enjoy self improvement, but there is something deeply therapeutic about self non - improvement.I don't say 'self acceptance' because that's often described as a necessary precursor to changing whatever we find difficult to accept about ourselves.

notaharvardmba: This post strikes me as immature. Ask an older person like your grandfather what they think about “self help”. And ask like you believe they are wiser than you, not some doddering fool from “another time”. Look, we’re all slaves to our childhood learnings. But you can change and learn to think in a new way—in a way that’s you. Just be you.

coffeebeqn: He’s been writing for decades now so that should be easy to verify. I’m sure LLMs are optimized for engaging online writing that’s easy to digest

raincole: The author is one of the biggest self-help book writers. Perhaps his self-help book sales started declining and he decided to pivot to some kind of anti-self-help genre.

DieErde: Everybody is adventurous; each in their own way. This is a typical statement people make with whom I feel bored.Me: "Let's fly to Paris tomorrow!"People: "Nah, I'm fine just doing what I did the last 3650 days. I wonder how I deal with this issue I have with my boss at work. That is enough adventure for me."Me: "Trash the job! Let's start a startup!"People: "Nah, that is not for me. The benefit/work ratio at my current job is just too good."

ghywertelling: During time of peace, prosperity and ZIRP like phenomenon, self help takes on the form of Law of Attraction, The Secret etc.During time of war and uncertainty, self help takes on the form of Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl.We are conditioned beings, we respond to the macro environment and dynamics.

jackyli02: The "optimization" framing is where self-help tends to go wrong. Tyler Cowen has made a similar point that reading self-help books is often a form of procrastination disguised as productivity, because you're consuming meta-strategies rather than doing the actual work in whatever domain you care about.

Propelloni: Modern self-help is as much a sham as are management gurus, which is no surprise because they overlap. Who cannot recall "Start with why?" or the "7 habits of highly effective people"? They play on your insecurities and promise silver bullets. If they don't work it is because you are, of course, deficient. You need another self-help book or follow this guy on Insta. Indulging all this self-help stuff is just another form of procrastination, instead of doing it you talk and read about doing it. It's just like learning Org-mode (no offense) to be better organized instead of, you know, organizing.My waking call was, ironically, another management book "The Management Myth" by Matthew Steward (I think), which just showed me the ridiculousness of it all.

rendx: Have you actually shown genuine interest in their adventures, or is it you who defines what is adventurous and what is not, and not see that they defend against your interests, and by that protect their own? Is it you that is unhappy about their choices, or is it them? “NO is always a YES to something else.” - Marshall Rosenberg I've been to Paris often enough, no thank you.

mettamage: > Self-help is dangerous precisely because it easily becomes self-fixation.In my self-help journey I came across meditation which ultimately led me to altruistic-based practices. So can't relate.> A focus on improving the self usually first requires finding problems with the selfOh I got in there the other way around. I wanted a few things out of life socially speaking but society was blocking me somehow. So I went out to investigate why that is and then studied it all and then solved my own problem. In order to do that, I had to improve myself as I wasn't connecting well with the world. I'm much happier with how I do that nowadays.

apsurd: There's a lot of "I"s in your paragraph there.I think it's worth it to be ok with everyone being a little bit in the same boat of wanting to self-help, then becoming enamored with buddhist ideas, then grappling with everyday being just another human. In whatever order.I'm sure you mean well but just kinda irked me that you immediately put in the effort to "nope can't relate"

mekaoro: okay this was very interesting "To continually improve yourself, you must continually locate the ways you are broken" haven't thought of it this way. Maybe I need to look into why i keep finding new books.

andreidbr: I enjoy Tim's content and in the last couple of years he's definitely gone beyond his established "shtick". He's definitely done his own "dog-fooding", testing advice on himself and he's found some awesome people along the way.I'm happy that he has gone beyond the "book / author of the week" format and this blog post is most welcomed.Relationships are crucial, especially ones that help elevate yourself or, at least, keep you on a stable level instead of dragging you down.

apsurd: First impression is that's really his writing. He's a professional writer. Thing is it's like trying to be a professional writer.very different from actually good writing, as in literature. art.Nothing against Mr. Ferris, just very clearly happen to come across these "i'm trying really hard at good writing" styles in influencer type blogs.

PunchyHamster: > The older I get, the more I think that self-help can be a trap. Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. I say this after ~20 years of writing self-help and a lifetime of consuming it.so, the self help didn't help and he passed the problem on his readers. Great!

apsurd: what would the older person say? in your experience.

eternauta3k: This is something I keep thinking about: the spectrum between sainthood (selflessly hang out with the poor/uninteresting/selfish/etc) vs selfish optimization (becoming more interesting/pretty/rich/generous in order to have access to nicer people)

apsurd: self non-improvement.love it.existing

azangru: > First impression is that's really his writing. He's a professional writer. Thing is it's like trying to be a professional writer.I am not suggesting that this isn't his writing.What I was wondering was whether these are the elements of style that LLMs have picked up.

rendx: From my own experience, and yours might differ, I typically don't find that pretty or rich (or any other such attributes) make for more interesting and nicer. Why is it either selfless saint or egocentrism? You can do both!

Empirical135: Ferriss misplaces the cause. Self-help doesn't train you to find ways you're broken — it selects for people who already carry a felt deficiency. Who sleeps well doesn't Google sleep optimisation.The more interesting question is what that deficiency actually is. I think attachment theory gives a more precise answer: the underlying sense of insufficiency is mostly relational in origin. So his pivot to relationships has real intuition behind it — but it still mistakes the symptom for the cure.The actual trap isn't self-help as a genre. It's using any action — including optimising your relationships — to externalise rather than confront what's underneath. The distinguishing feature is direction: are you doing this to avoid discomfort or to change your relationship to it? Rumination and productivity hacks fail by the same measure for the same reason.His buried insight — "you cannot improve suffering away" — is the most important line in the piece, treated as a footnote. That's where the real work starts: developing the capacity to sit with what you've been avoiding rather than finding a better-feeling target for the same restlessness.It is a bit ironic: the article is monetised self-help advice warning you about self-help, while introducing fresh deficiencies along the way — everything you learned was wrong — and staying carefully at the level of framework. That's precisely the move he's critiquing: redecorating the avoidance rather than confronting it. The most useful version of this piece would be considerably less optimised and considerably more vulnerable.

apsurd: damn, i'm finding this LLM response actually useful. It feels weird.

deafpolygon: Poor Timmy. It’s hard when you spend two decades recycling the same crap-now we have to denounce said crap and gargle more “new” crap.Self-help has never helped anyone. If it did, there wouldn’t be a massive industry waiting to prey on the people who are desperate for help.

apsurd: Doubtful that any one dude could influence the model to that extent, unless deliberately weighted. Then again i don't know what the hell i'm talking about.From what i gather, openAi particular flavor of response is from reinforcement learning, these PMs are intentionally gamifying it. just today literally every reply was followed with "… want me to show you the one trick you can implement to avoid…"was gross.

DieErde: I'm not making decisions for anybody. You can stay at home and watch your garden grow. Fine with me. I described what type of people I like. And that those are rather the pyramid climbers.