Discussion
The Car-Crash Conspiracy
themafia: > and today’s large trucks are so computerized that they operate almost like airplanesNonsense. Almost no vehicle even comes with anything like this installed. Some carriers will add driver monitoring computers, and they will emit tones under certain conditions, hard breaking, lane departure, too little following distance; however, to compare these simple alerts to the level of automation in an aircraft is just daffy.Just finding a GPS that understands vehicle heights and bridge underpass limits is still a significant challenge. So these are never built into any truck I've ever seen. Every driver has a third party device connected up for this purpose. Since those do a terrible job with satellite views most drivers _also_ use a cellphone for the additional navigation assistance it can provide.On top of that you have things like Jake Breaks, Air Suspension controls, and Differential controls that are important for operating the vehicle but are not at all automated.
randycupertino: Note the owner of the auto body shop and alleged leader of the fraud ring was indicted for murdering one of his co-conspirators who flipped and was becoming a witness:https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/local/witness-in-louisian...> Ryan Harris and Jovanna Gardner were indicted Monday for witness tampering through murder and conspiracy to retaliate against a witness through murder in addition to mail and wire fraud for their alleged participation in the staged wrecks.> The pair are accused in the Sept. 22, 2020, execution-style shooting of Cornelius Garrison, who had secretly been cooperating with the FBI, was a major setback as authorities tried to climb the ladder from small-time scammers and street-level organizers to the attorneys and doctors whom they say raked in millions of dollars through bogus lawsuits and even unnecessary surgeries.> So far, the case has led to 52 people being indicted and 44 of them pleading guilty, but only a single attorney, Danny Patrick Keating, has entered a guilty in exchange for his cooperation.
dylan604: > Just finding a GPS that understands vehicle heights and bridge underpass limits is still a significant challengeApparently for human drivers as well. Just this weekend, and overpass near my house had a rig stuck because the driver failed to realize his load was taller than the overpass.
adolph: > weight distribuiton. The truck has nothing for thisCould this be inferred from the air suspension controls?https://www.airliftcompany.com/workshop/finding-correct-air-...
actionfromafar: Damn. There's a product in there somewhere.
hydrogen7800: Interesting read. This may be unfair to Louisiana based on this case, but I've heard the USA described as a federation of a bunch of states and some 3rd world countries.
jeffbee: This happens all the time. A truck may be equipped with systems that know the heights of bridges, but it can't or at least might not know the height of the load. That's why bridges are constantly getting wrecked by loads with indeterminant heights, like equipment on trailers.
wakawaka28: I think you can find something bad in every state, even "rich" ones.
bahmboo: Yes this jumped out at me too. It isn't remotely true. The opposite is more accurate: I'd wager that at least half the trucks on the road are built more like small planes from the 60s WRT to operational systems.
cucumber3732842: Mixing and matching local-ish trucking vs OTR is like mix and matching "shootings that happen at schools" with "shootings that target a school"The commercial fleet is two fleets. You've got local and local-ish small carriers operating bottom dollar box trucks and tri-axle mack dumps from the 80s. Your average OTR truck is full of cameras and nannies and owned by a mega fleet. The owner operators inn their long nose petes are a rounding error.
egypturnash: New Orleans native here. It's not unfair. We're consistently one of the worst states in the nation in so many measures. Corruption is rampant.
vablings: It really feels like the FBI got this man killed with a sloppy indictment. The fact that information that only could have come from Garrison was directly the reason he was executed
JumpCrisscross: > the FBI got this man killed with a sloppy indictmentHow do we know that’s how they discovered Garrison was cooperating?
bonsai_spool: Garrison was killed four days after the indictment was released. From the text:> On September 18, 2020, the Justice Department unsealed a seven-count indictment charging Garrison with “staging over fifty accidents.” Alfortish and Motta weren’t indicted or named in the document, but they were described, respectively, as “Co-Conspirator A” and “Attorney B.” Garrison’s coöperation with the F.B.I. wasn’t referenced in the text—and it might have seemed that charging him in such a public fashion would be a good way to conceal his role as an informant. But a close reading of the filing encouraged certain inferences. One stray sentence asserted that “Co-Conspirator A instructed Garrison on the number of passengers to include in staged collisions.” Alfortish might have made some unconventional life choices, but he wasn’t a total idiot. He certainly hadn’t supplied that information to the Feds—and the only other person who could have done so was Garrison.> Four days after the indictment was made public, Garrison had dinner with his mother, Sandra Fontenette, who was seventy-four, at the tidy condominium that she owned, on Foy Street. They ate gumbo and talked. Garrison had been texting with a woman named Kim that afternoon, and they had made plans to hang out after dinner. At around eight-thirty, the doorbell rang, and Garrison went to meet her. But, upon opening the front door, he shouted to his mother, “Get down!” Ten shots rang out, and Garrison collapsed on the floor, dead.
wmf: I've read about similar fraud rings in Los Angeles and Brooklyn.
shreveport: Funny thing about those,
shreveport: Well here's the thing,
shreveport: Those Cajun French just never change...
chrisgd: It’s implied in the article
selimthegrim: Wrong part of Louisiana
pavel_lishin: What thing?
pavel_lishin: What's the funny thing?
brookst: I’ve been toying with the idea of writing a book about the American shift from “a hard day’s work for fair pay” to what I’m calling the lottery economy.Fewer and fewer people can make a decent living with traditional work. Hence, my theory goes, the rise of actual lotteries along with influencers, injury lawyers, and schemes like New Orleans.Something is seriously wrong when family members hope an elderly relative will die on the hospital so they can get a payout, or when people are crashing into trucks or promoting BS snake oil on instagram.It’s an indictment of the people involved for sure, but our social and economic systems have created the perverse incentives that these people are betting on. And it seems to be accelerating.
fortran77: The "three people in car" is a very useful tell for criminal activity. I've seen in home burglar rings (one driver, one lookout, and one person to enter the home), catalytic converter thievs (driver, lookout, and "saw man"), etc. Not sure why they need the same patter of three here, but I guess one person will be the one who goes to the hospital, etc.It's like they all read the same "criminal" forums to learn techniques.In any event, given the extreme danger of a crime like this, the penalties should be more like that of a kidnapping (e.g., life in prison) and not just the 6 months suspended they'll see for insurance fraud. But that would never happen in Louisiana.
selimthegrim: Just a garden variety racist pretending they live in the state
selimthegrim: Exactly how many investors do you think are investing in New Orleans East? I drive around and I see signs on telephone poles for people promoting renting cars so you can rent it to other people for income like Uber or something.
brookst: Probably none? I certainly didn’t mean to imply there is significant investment.
adi_kurian: Harrowing. That said, excellent journalism. I loved the artwork.
selimthegrim: It sure would be nice if we had an actual economy around here. That being said, I have definitely been given a speeding ticket by state police on that stretch of I-10 well before this all happened, and when I had a car crash under the Claiborne expressway on the Sundays when people drag race under the bridge I assure you these "runners" were nowhere to be found. Possibly because the local biker gang whose bikes the other party hit before me dragged him back to the scene of the accident for the responding officer to interview. I do remember someone in the crowd that helped me open my door saying “oh you hurt? Oh you got hurt you got hurt bad you got hurt in your spine, etc..” kind of prompting me and/or fishing for a response so who knows if that was them or just that the general mentality has permeated the community.
fortran77: People will do anything but work for a living. It's just engrained in certain cultures.> Tt was surprisingly easy to find locals willing to risk their lives for money. Nearly a quarter of New Orleans residents live in poverty, and the prospect of a substantial windfall for a few hours’ work apparently outweighed any fear of getting into a car that was about to take part in a high-speed accident.
fortran77: > Fewer and fewer people can make a decent living with traditional work.I don't think it's that "fewer people can make a living". It's just that we have too many amoral people who won't work.
lotsofpulp: I do not buy this. There is plenty of money in “traditional” work, and immigrants from all over the world find it and do it. If uneducated people, who may speak English as a second language at best, can move around the US and find their footing, then surely almost all who grew up here with access to the language and public schools can.And the people in this article are born in the 1960s and 1970s, in the decades that followed, America was booming.
Throaway199999: Thats bs...it says right in the article that the payout for a trailer truck accident can be a million usd. Pretty sure that is a major attraction to the 25% of NO that lives in poverty.
gottorf: The traits in a person that lead them to a life of perpetual poverty are the same traits that make this type of "lottery" winning seem desirable.
bombcar: You’re not allowed to suggest anything could be wrong with rich states.
selimthegrim: Nor should it. You have to be realistic here - if we send everybody who ever did murder two up to Angola for life you would need like two more Angolas. Let’s not even get to kidnapping.
fortran77: The prosecutors see slamming as "non-violent". Something is seriously wrong with them.> Peter Strasser, the U.S. Attorney, was in his office when one of his prosecutors entered, looking shaken, and said that the key coöperating witness in the slammers case had just been murdered. “I would never have believed it, because this was a nonviolent case,”
gottorf: > People will do anything but work for a living. It's just engrained in certain cultures.In fact, the lengths to which some people will go to avoid working for a living is stupendous. I've heard tell of organized crime in my area that sure sounds like a lot of work for not that much pay, i.e. no different than a low-end job.Like that old quote about entrepreneurs being people who work 100 hours a week to avoid working 40 hours a week, but some twisted parallel of that.
fortran77: Or the Freakonimics article that points out most drug dealers make less than minimum wage (Summarized in this talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/steven_levitt_the_freakonomics_of_...)
Throaway199999: HAHAHAHASo, how about the dozens of lawyers and doctors in the story? You know, the ones who made 90% of the money and never got charged? The ones who set the whole thing up because they knew they could convince desperate & uneducated people? The ones who orchestrated a murder (the thing that finally got two of them caught)?What's their "traits?" Did you even read the article?
TurdF3rguson: Well, when tourism is in decline, all those clowns and fake psychics in Jackson Square still need to eat.
anonymars: You might enjoy The Wire"You know what the trouble is, Brucey? We used to make shit in this country, build shit. Now we just put our hand in the next guy's pocket."It's basically all about people in systems, and as I recall one of the points made is the broken social contract, which was once "you don't have to be the smartest, but if you show up and work hard, there's a place for you to earn a living" -- now it feels like trying to outswim a rising tide of required education and expertise and hollowed-out career paths
sandworm101: Might be an incorrect sign. It does happen. A road gets paved and now is a couple inches higher and nobody bothers to change the sign. Any new bump, even one not directly under the bridge, can cause a collision. We cannot expect drivers to get out and measure every underpass ... thats what the signs are for!
wat10000: Or look up 11foot8 videos and watch a multitude of dingbat drivers rip the roofs off their vehicles despite correct signage and a flashing warning.
marcus_holmes: America might have been booming, but wages were dropping in real terms throughout that period.And the heroes are the people who buck the system and made a fortune quickly. Not the people who toil away consistently at a job and incrementally build a modest living over decades. So of course everyone wants to be a hero.Add in Crypto, and Day Trading, and more recently the prediction markets. All of whom specifically target "normal" folks with promises of huge riches won from a few hours work and a bit of luck. Of course, very, very, very few people actually make any money at all from any of this, but survivor bias occludes that and all they see is the easy money.The lottery works exactly the same way. The odds of me, specifically, winning the lottery is effectively nil. But every week there's some lucky person who wins. If you have any kind of education then this becomes an obvious no-win proposition, and buying a ticket is just throwing away money. But even with such an education, and understanding of probability, I've been desperate enough to buy a ticket in the past.In Australia we've seen the rise (and rise) of gambling as an industry. For exactly the same reasons. Making a quick fortune is the goal. Working a normal job is for suckers and losers. And there's a certain truth to this in a society that prizes home ownership, but keeps housing at a price level that means the average wage will never manage to save enough to afford the deposit. Might as well gamble those savings in the hope of getting a win big enough to actually afford the deposit.The system is broken. We need to fix it or tear it down.
rascul: Three people in a car is not a tell for anything except three people in a car.
brookst: Traits like ethics? Yes, that was my point.
gottorf: I'm talking about traits like high time preference and poor impulse control.Ethics make people live in poverty? That would be news to a lot of people.
brookst: It’s a really good article if you read it. The people who got rich were not the poor people.
gottorf: We must be talking at odds here. I'm neither claiming that being ethical is a sufficient condition to getting rich, nor that the ethics of the poor people described in the article played a significant part in their being and remaining poor. The article seems replete with unethical behavior at every level of wealth.> the American shift from “a hard day’s work for fair pay” to what I’m calling the lottery economyMy point is that people with high time preference and low impulse control, who naturally will tend to be poorer than people without those traits, will also naturally be more drawn to the "lottery economy", whether or not bad actors exist who will take advantage of that. Just look at who buys literal lottery tickets!
flitzofolov: One of my favorite podcasts, "Gone South", did a two part feature about this phenomena in July of 2025. Well worth the listen. Pt. 1: https://pca.st/1clncbd7
YZF: Median real wages: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q
pjc50: > "shootings that happen at schools" with "shootings that target a school".I don't understand this analogy or distinction at all?
isolatedsystem: Now adjust it for inflation.
nickff: ‘Real’ means inflation-adjusted.
yzydserd: > Large trucks account for five per cent of the vehicles in the United States but play a role in ten per cent of fatal accidents.This uses the wrong denominator. Miles travelled (or time on road) is a much better denominator than vehicles registered, because these vehicles are on the road much more than a private personal vehicle.Looking at some data sources, it seems such large vehicles account for 10% of vehicle miles travelled, and so this claim in the article, at least, is not noteworthy.
jessegeens: Yes, which proves the point, no? In Q1 of 1979 the real median wages were 335. In Q3 of 2014 they were 336. Which means that from 1979 to 2014 workers did not see any increase in their salary. In that same period, GDP per capita (and thus the economic output of the country and thus the economic output of its workers) almost doubled. The country became richer, workers became more efficient, but they did not get any part of the gains.
Thegn: ‘Pride is all very well, but a sausage is a sausage,’ he said.- Terry PratchettThe poor have ethics just like the rest of us. They just can’t afford to keep it.
bombcar: Pratchett goes into it more when talking about the “proud” poor - which is a real subset of the population.You can see an example in the rural poor who refuse to take “government cheese”.
lotsofpulp: >And the heroes are the people who buck the system and made a fortune quickly. Not the people who toil away consistently at a job and incrementally build a modest living over decades. So of course everyone wants to be a hero.I don't see what this has to do with anything. For all of human history, it has been easier to steal than to earn.https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RHORUSQ156N>And there's a certain truth to this in a society that prizes home ownership, but keeps housing at a price level that means the average wage will never manage to save enough to afford the deposit.Maybe in Australia, but it was attainable in the US with home ownership in the 60%+ range.https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/data/charts/fig07.pdfhttps://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RHORUSQ156N
selimthegrim: Come live here for a month or two and see if you're so sanguine in your judgments next time.
cucumber3732842: I follow local politics in my own city of similar means.The juice isn't worth the squeeze for bigco (though they're not above doing something if perfect circumstances pop up) and the long tail of mom and pop investors, slumlord and "maybe you can rent my cousin's vacant storefront for your shop" type investment activity that would normally make those investments and over time uplift a community have been kicked out of the game by the regulation that municipalities have been forced by the states (who themselves are often forced by the feds) to adopt as a pre-requisite to qualifying for federal grant funding for the projects they need that funding to afford because without it they can't do so in a manner compliant with applicable law.
steve-atx-7600: Yes. The Atlantic USED to have long form through provoking articles like this that I missed. This is the second article I’ve read from them recently that makes me glad I recently subscribed to the New Yorker.
Jgrubb: My best friend is an insurance attorney in New Orleans, and has been telling me this saga for years now. It's wild to see this coming out.
steve-atx-7600: It is definitely well known in the insurance industry. Companies are hesitant to expand into the state of LA because of the high risk of litigation. Doing business there effectively requires being able to model the risk of litigation in addition to hurricane/wind/storm loss. Both are tough problems to solve to have to be a top insurer - as in being able to price according to risk better than competitors that use “broad strokes” in the direction of higher premiums regardless of risk.
mjklin: “One of the best descriptions of this political culture came from A.J. Liebling, who called Louisiana "the westernmost of the Arab states" and observed that its politics "is of an intensity and complexity that are matched, in my experience, only in the Republic of Lebanon. Louisiana is part of the Hellenistic—Mediterranean littoral—sensual, seductive, speculative, devious."- The Book of America, Hagstrom and Peirce
steve-atx-7600: Allow me to elaborate on the political culture. I lived in LA in the early 90s when the governors race was between a former KKK Leander and Edwin Edward’s who once said "The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy”. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Louisiana_gubernatorial_e....
Jgrubb: update from my bud:> Almost all of the references to the “law firm hired by trucking companies” refer to my firm.He's been telling me about this scammy former stunt woman attorney since before covid.
boogieknite: skipped the byline and halfway through realized the voice felt familiar. if you like this and are unfamiliar with Radden Keefe then check out The Snakehead and Say Nothing. im sure everything he writes is great but can personally recommend those
Balgair: Just so everyone here knows, any LA lawyer is a darn smart person.LA has kinda a dual legal system that it inherited from the French and Spanish codified law system out of Napoleon (yes that one), and ultimately from Roman law.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_LouisianaJust the first paragraph there is a confusing mess and the rest of the article doesn't get any better (to me at least).Suffice to say, having to pass the bar is tough enough, but having to do it while 'speaking two languages' in terms of law systems is so much more harder.
YZF: No?The point was > but wages were dropping in real terms throughout that period> And the people in this article are born in the 1960s and 1970s, in the decades that followed, America was boomingThere are economic cycles but the trend is clearly up. Funny enough, the 80's and the 90's which I think many people recall as great times were maybe more flat overall and the last 15 years feel worse. To be honest we also need to look at unemployment and perhaps other metrics. But the story that real wages were dropping is not supported by the data.
