Discussion

flyingpenguin

piker: Is anyone finding value in these things other than VCs and thought leaders looking for clicks and “picks and shovels” folks? I just personally have zero interest in letting an AI into my comms and see no value there whatsoever. Probably negative.

TheDong: I find some value as kinda a better alexa.I have it hooked up to my smart home stuff, like my speaker and smart lights and TV, and I've given it various skills to talk to those things.I can message it "Play my X playlist" or "Give me the gorillaz song I was listening to yesterday"I can also message it "Download Titanic to my jellyfin server and queue it up", and it'll go straight to the pirate bay.It having a browser and the ability to run cli tools, and also understand English well enough to know that "Give me some Beatles" means to use its audio skill, means it's a vastly better alexaIt only costs me like $180 a month in API credits (now that they banned using the max plan), so seems okay still.

_pdp_: There is value but it is hard to discover and extract outside of a few known areas - like coding, etc.

piker: Yes, I can see the (potential) value in working with agents in software development. The “claw” movement I understood to suggest value in less constrained access to my inbox, personal messages, calendar etc like some sort of PA. It’s hard to quantify how much damage a bad PA can do to someone’s personal and professional life, so if my understand is correct, this seems like a dead end.

onchainintel: It all depends on what you do aka your use case. If you're in the content creatio business, which is part of my responsibilities, then yes has been massively helpful. For other roles, I can absolutely see no use case or benefit. Context matters, like with everything.

trilogic: Great article. Been skeptical of it since the beginning with this Python "Cli" agents. Been looking for local ai driven Agentic GUI that offers real privacy but coulnt find it anywhere. Finally what we call real local and ClI agents pipeline local ai driven with llama.cpp engine is done. Just pure bash and c++, model isolated, no http, no python, no api, no proprietary models. There is the native version (in c++) and the community version in Electron. Is electron Good enough to protect users Wrapping all the rest? This is exciting.

puelocesar: 180 grand a month for PA is a lot of money. But I guess each person has its own priority. I mean, I can pay a very fancy gym with that price instead of the shitty popular one I go, which would probably improve my well being much more than asking to play Gorillaz

tikotus: I don't want to be judgemental, but I do find it funny that you're paying $180 for this convenience, and use it to pirate movies.

electroglyph: https://sleepingrobots.com/dreams/stop-using-ollama/

nopurpose: I agree that sandboxing whole agent is inadequate: I am fine sharing my github creds with the gh CLI, but not with the npm. More granular sunboxing and permission is what I'd like to see and this project seems interesting enough to have a closer look.I am not interested in the "claw" workflow, but if I can use it for a safer "code" environment it is a win for me.

mkesper: When the agent uses your GH credentials to nuke all your projects or put out a lot of crap, this separation will not save you.

nopurpose: whitelisting `gh` args should solve it. Event opencode's primitive permission system allows that.

LudwigNagasena: And I remember OSes today, 1 year ago, 5 years ago, 10 years ago, etc. Security was always a problem. People blindly delegate admin privileges to scripts and programs from the internet all the time. It’s hard to make something secure and usable at the same time. It’s not like agent harnesses suddenly broke all adopted best practices around software and sandboxing.I remember Apple introducing sandboxing for Mac apps, extending deadlines because no one was implementing it. AFAIK, many apps still don’t release apps there simply because of how limiting it is.Ironically, the author suggests to install his software by curl’ing it and piping it straight into sh.

dankobgd: no, it's only for scammers