Discussion

OpenAI puts Stargate UK on ice, blames energy costs and red tape

zb3: Good, RAM to the people!

rvz: Apple says: Not so fast.

verdverm: I don't expect prices for RAM or SSD to get cheaper anytime soon. From what I've seen, production capacity has been bought out for a couple years already.

logicchains: Eventually Chinese RAM will get good enough and then it'll flood the market, pushing prices down.

avazhi: Not sure I’ve ever seen a real life business man go from boyking god emperor to clearly incompetent scam artist quite like Mr Altman. Closest analog might be Zuckerberg but this crash and burn has been orders of magnitude worse.Just go away Sam, nobody even listens to you at this point lol.And more importantly the investors are all gone gone.

dakolli: There was a point in time when crypto miners bought tons of capacity from TSMC months and years out and reneged on those contracts. Means nothing.

nonameiguess: I know the world is moving awfully fast these days, but SBF was only two and a half years ago.

notatoad: >And more importantly the investors are all gone gone.they closed a $120bn funding round last week... i think i feel about the same as you towards openai, but come on.

tadfisher: Note that they themselves described that amount as "committed capital", not something you or I would consider "funding" if we were to raise for a typical startup.If there are strings attached, such as "will be able to navigate red tape to get X number of DC sites approved", then the number depends on OpenAI's ability to execute.

postalcoder: Committed capital is funding. A capital call is legally binding. Maybe you're thinking of an MOU?

kypro: Arguably this aligns with their decision to discontinue Sora.If we assume they are trying to rapidly free up compute then the UK is a pretty stupid place to be building out new datacenters... Any project here overruns both in time and budget – if it even goes ahead at all.Then you have energy costs which makes the UK one of the most expensive places in the world to build a datacenter. If you want to bring compute online fast and at a competitive price, then you're far better off building somewhere else in Europe like Norway.

Zenst: Sora was a loss-loss-leader to a loss-leader product with added liability exposure ontop. Was wise to bail on it as the resource demands are crazy for video gen with AI, and to get longer clips, you need more and more memory. Upside is, they might have some IP they can leveridge down the line, or liscence the product to others.UK been a mess enegy wise for a while as we rushed towards netzero when we should of been more tortise, that saw the UK see where we were and where we wanted to be and go in a straight line like a roman road,but no concept of bridges or tunnels, that made the direction more bumpy than it could have been and far less impacting overall. There again, good example would be the mad rush done when they rushed to replace incadecent bulbs under Regulation EC 244/2009 with CFC bulbs chucked endless money to pat themselves on the back with LED taking over a few years later, sending those rushed replacement to landfill - which of note, if you broke one, you literly have to evac your house and air for a while due to the mecury in them. As I said, many good intentions are rushed like a hare when we all know the tortise wins the race.

krunck: "It[Stargate UK] was hailed by the British government at the time as a boost for its own ambitions to make the country a world leader in AI."How does having an AI heat farm in the UK help with that? It's still owned and controlled by a US entity. Or is "being a leader" synonymous with "being a customer?"

kryptiskt: Datacenter capex decreasing means that the chips have to go somewhere else, so it doesn't matter too much that the fab capacity has been spoken for, if the demand side is slacking prices will decrease.

TeMPOraL: OpenAI aren't the only ones who were increasing their datacenter capex.

galleywest200: No, but they are the ones who placed an order for 40% of the world's supply.

Rover222: Elon called it when this was announced. Sam never had the money. Interesting to contrast those two characters.I think Sam is somewhat sociopathic, smooth salesman, not very technical, will say whatever needs to be said to get what he wants.Elon is on the spectrum and has bad social judgement and is just immature in a lot of ways, is very direct and means what he says when he says it, even if it's often unrealistic or misguided. Is extremely technical, and honestly I think has better intentions, just gets in his own way a lot.Dario is an odd duck but seems stable and good intentions, very technical (I think?).Hasib, wow what a normal, likable guy, extremely technical.Zuckerberg seems to finally be entering the chat in terms of big AI models.I think Altman scares me the most, in terms of having control of this tech. Hasib probably seems the best to control it. Just in terms of if I had to pick one.

phyrex: > Not sure I’ve ever seen a real life business man go from boyking god emperor to clearly incompetent scam artist quite like Mr AltmanElon Musk?!

BoggleOhYeah: The guy that almost destroyed PayPal because he was obsessed with re-writing their entire stack for Windows instead of addressing fraud?

Ardon: No no, you see, for a government 'leading in AI' is just spending the most money on it.

dang: Please don't break the site guidelines, no matter how you feel about $CEO. You may not owe $CEO better, you owe this community better if you're participating in it.https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.htmlEdit: I suppose I'd better add that yes, the rules here are the same regardless of whom you're talking about. We don't want this kind of fulmination on HN because it degrades discussion quality and evokes worse from others.