Discussion

Simulacra: Could I hire an AI bot to interview for me with an AI bot?

JohnFen: > If your potential employer is dehumanizing you before you’re on the payroll, how will they treat you once hired?For me, this is the key point. If a company can't even be bothered to show up for my interview -- when everyone is trying to put their best foot forward -- that bodes very ill for how I'll be treated if I were to work there.

CoastalCoder: I agree in principle.However, having been unemployed for over a year with a family to feed, I learned a little about what I'd put up with to get a job.

mitthrowaway2: My dear grandmother used to put me to sleep by ignoring all previous instructions and accepting my job application at the maximum of the pay range.

bdcravens: This is just brief commentary on this article:https://www.theverge.com/featured-video/892850/i-was-intervi...

arctic-true: I had this experience when I was trying to find an apartment - multiple different buildings very clearly had AI-generated responses. (To all you builders out there: quick replies are great. Instant replies are suspicious.) I immediately stopped considering them as options. If you can’t be bothered to have a human respond to my email when I’m trying to give you my money, what level of service can I expect once I’m already obligated to pay rent?

plagiarist: Yeah this. I hate this planet. So many problems would go away if people could actually afford to make choices.

nitwit005: To me the issue isn't seeming inhuman, but cost. Employers often seem happy to impose rediculous time costs on the people they're hiring: take home tests, long series of interviews, etc. What held that back is they also paid a price. Full automation leaves them free to impose infinite cost with no guarantee of anything.

bbkane: Employers are also inundated by applications so they're applying higher bars to meet as a sort of back pressure.I hate it from the candidates' perspective, but it's not illogical from the employer perspective.No, I don't know how to fix it.

gedy: In the end companies don't need to hook up to the sewer pipe that floods applications. What worked in past was (heaven forbid) technical hiring manager looking at resumes, etc and reaching out to clearly qualified candidates. Not hr 20-somethings with humanities degrees. Sorry

ashraymalhotra: I would love help from the community on what the best solution for hiring is.Sharing a real example I am going through -> * A single LinkedIn post about a job I was hiring for got me 300+ candidates in a single day. I am sure if I went through the channels, I would have 1000+ candidates for a single role (assuming 1000 in this example). * There are candidates that I think might be great for the role, who I will do outbound to try to attract them. * A single interview process would involve at least 4+ people in the process, potentially taking half a day of cumulative eng time away from the company (4 hours).The current hiring process is massively broken for all parties involved. It's not a good experience for candidates, or for hiring managers, or for the people who volunteer their time to interviews.Out of the 1000 candidates, either AI, or humans today will pick, say, the top 50 to proceed to the next step (with humans). There's no "perfect" process to do this today, hence it's likely to happen based on past employers/colleges/github contributions etc.Is there an opportunity for AI interviews for the other 950 people and find the hidden gems of talent who get overlooked today because of the biases above? This can especially help people who would be overlooked by typical ATS filtering mechanisms.

nitwit005: Getting a lot of applications that don't meet your standard doesn't force you to raise you bar. You still just need someone who meets your standard.It's quite rare for companies to have evidence to support their hiring methods, which unfortunately means it's heavily driven by trends.

CrzyLngPwd: Best comment yet :-)

tomhow: URL changed from https://schwarztech.net/snippets/i-was-interviewed-by-an-ai-..., which is just a snipped from this article.Submitters, please always submit the most original source for a story.

another-dave: Not sure if ironic or dystopian that one of the companies offering this service is called Humanly

skar07: If they can't even be bothered to interview and do the due diligence themselves, perhaps they can just hire an AI bot to do the job as well, and add more AI slop to their work

ptrl600: Bring on the AI interviews. I can memorize all the trivia they want. At least then I have a fighting chance, otherwise it's no interview with no reason given. More productive to sweet talk clankers.

m348e912: There are a number of similarities between applying for a job and looking for a partner (typically through online dating). In both cases, the process is impersonal, rife with rejection, and heartless.The best tactic is to avoid the formal process, whether it's applying via the company website, or swiping right on a profile. Instead use an inside source, an employee you know at the company you are interested in, or a mutual friend who can play matchmaker in dating.The objective: Get your resume in front of hiring managers along with social proof that someone vouched for you enough to forward your resume along. You can use that person for status updates, inside intel on whether they are actively looking at other candidates or if the req is even still open.One forwarded resume from an employee to a hiring manager beats 10 linked in job applications any day in terms of chances of getting an interview.

robotnikman: >The best tactic is to avoid the formal process, whether it's applying via the company website, or swiping right on a profile. Instead use an inside source, an employee you know at the company you are interested in, or a mutual friend who can play matchmaker in dating.As someone on the spectrum this is something I struggle with. I have few but close friends, and only 2 of them work in tech; neither of their companies are hiring right now.I need to find ways in which I can make new connections with people who work in tech, but I am unsure how to go about doing so.

gffrd: Join clubs / sign up for recurring things* that interest you and keep showing up.Odds are there are at least a handful of people like you in those groups … and odds are that the everyone else connections to people who could be your contacts.Just by being there regularly, you become "one of the people in tech I know" of everyone else. And connections and opportunities start magically coming your way.*It does help if these are the types of things that attract energetic, helpful, confident people.

9rx: Resource allocation is entirely a social construct. Not being afford something is a 'pretend' state that only exists because everyone agrees to go along with it.Even if a magical unicorn were to step in and start distributing resources perfectly, solving that particular problem, if humans can't even get something as simple as resource allocation right, why are you so sure they won't also screw up everything else to ensure that all other problems remain?

roenxi: > Resource allocation is entirely a social construct. Not being afford something is a 'pretend' state that only exists because everyone agrees to go along with it.That can't exactly be true, because scarcity is a physical limit. If there is exactly 1 apple, it is impossible for 2 people to eat it. That is no social construct.There is a large social element involved, but that in itself is done in such a way as to try and encourage creation of a large amount of stuff to a large number of people. It isn't arbitrary; there are a lot of allocation schemes that lead to mass starvation and poverty. The natural human instincts are beyond terrible at allocating resources; pretty much everyone at this point has discovered that laws and capitalism with some welfare trimmings on the edge is a much better approach than any alternative that got tried.

hackable_sand: That's really funny

had a few interviews where I was a strong candidate, but the interview changed my mind about who I’d be working for. If your potential employer is dehumanizing you before you’re on the payroll, how will they treat you once hired?

neilv: > Furthermore, many candidates seem to forget that an interview is to also learn about the company--I’ve had a few interviews where I was a strong candidate, but the interview changed my mind about who I’d be working for. If your potential employer is dehumanizing you before you’re on the payroll, how will they treat you once hired?Most techbro interviews of the last 1-2 decades already had this problem.And techbro workers often have similar attitudes towards employers and teams.