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Human accelerated region 1
red75prime: Interesting. So, the human brain is the scaled-up monkey brain with significant architectural changes.
utopiah: What was the alternative?
red75prime: Scaling-up without significant architectural changes.
mapleoin: Or significant architectural changes without scaling up.
samrus: Implies intelligent designI think its rather some mutations that produced more reelin and created the most successful animal in earth's history
Miraltar: The most successful animal by what metric?
totomz: Some of us don't spend days looking for food, don't die of cold, and survive the flu...aaand we have Quake and Comand&Conquer - Red Alert
Nevermark: The most successful at communicating their view that they are the most successful. Whether they are or not. But that means they are.
Nevermark: Or a single magic mutation.And if we ran an experiment where we gave it to some apes…
robbomacrae: You sound like you’ve never been disdainfully stared at by a cat..Really interesting article though. I’m very hopeful AI can help work out how all these things interact.
woadwarrior01: Merely implies a very good fitness function.
Joker_vD: I'd really rather liked it if that supposedly "intelligent" designer took a bit more time at designing the urogenital tract of human males.
tomxor: > aaand we have Quake and Comand&Conquer - Red AlertAgreed, it would seem that evolutionary biology peaked in the late 90s then
shmeeed: What's wrong with it?
littlestymaar: Yes. Though according this fitness function we're not necessarily more successful than a jellyfish or a tapeworm.
pegasus: So, the most successful at arrogance? In other words, the least successful at humility? Ironically, since humble and human share a common root. Just playing devil's advocate here, but what you propose is not a good metric to maximize.
hackrmn: Hey, $DEITY did its absolute best with the constraints and the requirements. But hey, can't please everyone apparently. Be happy you can relieve yourself well past the intended warranty period. The parts were designed to be easily _aftermarket_ replaceable with sufficient advances in technology, retaining the fundamental design without changes.
cluckindan: Let’s observe their reactions to a big slab of obsidian.
codeulike: mine seems ok what version are you on
lexicality: I'd like it if the vagus nerve didn't do a loop around my neck for no particular reason. (Giraffes would probably like that even more)
randallsquared: As related in the documentary _The Matrix_.
somewhatgoated: Arguably much less successful since jellyfish have been around 700+ million years ands it’s not clear if humans will make it even the next couple thousand. But the jury is still out on that one
vintermann: > The most successful at communicating their view that they are the most successfulTo who? Other humans?It's seagull mating season where I am, and I don't speak seagull, but I'm pretty sure one of the things they're trying to convey to their fellow seagulls is that they're extremely successful.Can't argue with it either. They're very much alive, which is the best you can be in this particular competition.
curiousObject: Evolution would design the alternative to be something slightly less capable than the minimum. /sReally, the likelihood is that these mutations must have had an impact that far outweighs their space in the genome.That’s how all our close competition got murdered by Homo Sapiens. Just significant difference in mental abilities.
ceejayoz: Y'all get firmware updates?!
MyelinatedT: Separation of functions/concerns is not great, for starters.The testes are dangerously exposed, the plumbing is convoluted and failure-prone (and doesn’t recover well from mechanical insults).The prostate, which serves no function outside of reproduction, lies inline with the urethra and quite consistently loses flexibility and becomes enlarged with age, causing all sorts of structural issues impacting basic urological function.Female reproductive vs urinary anatomy is largely physiologically distinct (proximity and UTI risk notwithstanding). Though plenty of room for improvement there too — starting with endometrial tissue being far too prolific. Fun fact: endometrial tissue can migrate to the brain and cause haemorrhaging in severe cases of endometriosis.Plenty of room for improvement across the board, I’d say!
incognito124: I fail to see that, it's simply one of all other random mutations, it's just that this one has a big downstream effect of enabling other more complex mutations
nurettin: Intelligent mutations? How does that work?
dingdongditchme: Corn, albeit not an animal has been pretty successful in terms of number of individuals. Their bi-pedal underlings have cleared swathes of land and take meticulous care of their well-being so they can bask in the sun undisturbed.
dingdongditchme: Is that a big concern? I've been pretty happy with my vagus nerve functionality until now... although I have not given it much thought to be fair.
_joel: I'm going to stick my neck out and say no.
xattt: [delayed]
timdiggerm: What did you think it was before you read this brief Wikipedia article?
tclancy: Which is why we think we're the center of the universe.
yubblegum: > HAR1A is active in the developing human brain between the 7th and 18th gestational weeks.Anyone know of a resource that layouts the temporal activation patterns for all the genes for the life cycle of a human being?
bonsai_spool: This can't be done reliably but you may want to look at Tabula Sapiens which doe some of what you'd like. It's not an obvious problem in lots of ways.
graemep: Of course it is, and you could say the same with regard to mammalian brains in general. However the divergence starts very early in development (seven weeks) so is very big and very significant. By the time a human is born the brain is very different from a monkey's.
ccozan: I hope we don't vibe-evoluate....
tgbugs: Let's assume that you mean activation patterns at the level of single cells. Aside from the ethical issues which make it virtually impossible to obtain the full set of data, there is also the fact that the exact timing of expression is one of the major ways in which development produces variability in phenotype and so can vary wildly between individuals. The closest we have right now might be HUBMAP [0] or HCA [1], but I don't think that those had as objectives covering multiple developmental timepoints.0. https://portal.hubmapconsortium.org/ 1. https://data.humancellatlas.org/
yubblegum: Thanks!
WarmWash: Mother nature hates weak things that die (that's why they get eliminated), so if we can make it to interplanetary species before killing ourselves, that would be a pretty huge sign of success. At least on mother natures benchmark.
flufluflufluffy: As others have said, a complete dataset for that is basically impossible. You would have to monitor every cell type in an individual from the moment of conception until death. Maybe in a couple hundred years we’ll have nanotech robots that could do that, and our overall morals and ideas of what constitutes ethical research will have changed enough that we allow the creation of such humans with these robots inside them.
stenl: My group published a cell atlas of the developing human brain in 2023, giving gene expression in single cells from postconception week 5 to 13. It’s on github: https://github.com/linnarsson-lab/developing-human-brainThe NIH BRAIN initiative is working on the next generation of that, covering more timepoints and better spatial data.
yubblegum: Thanks. Suprised no one has made a visualization (even if it has gaps).> It's not an obvious problem in lots of ways.Care to expand on this?Link for others:https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abl4896https://maayanlab.cloud/Harmonizome/dataset/Tabula+Sapiens+G...
bonsai_spool: I think people who aren’t already experts in this aren’t the right ones to try. For experts, the technical questions are very evident.You may also like GTEX and the Human Protein Atlas (which also has gene expression data)
liquid_thyme: There are various types of triggers for gene activation, some genes turn on/off all the time (housekeeping), some follow the circadian rythm, some are immediate response, some are specific to specific phases of cell division, some are persistently on all the time, etc ,etc. Not sure what type of chart you're looking for.
yubblegum: Thanks. Those modal categories of activations are a great start for organizing a visualization. I wonder what sort of patterns would show up. For example, what role does placement in a specific chromosome have (if at all!) in determining whether the gene is periodic, reactive, systemic, or developmental , etc.> Not sure what type of chart you're looking for. Just geek curiosity.
alfiedotwtf: > some follow the circadian rythmOh no…As someone who has an highly irregular sleeping pattern, do you know of any or where I can find more info on this?
lexicality: I mean it does add like a millisecond of unnecessary delay that wouldn't be there if it took the most efficient route. It's not much, but it does add up!
AndrewKemendo: Very cool work!
