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Former FBI Director Robert Mueller, who investigated Russia-Trump campaign ties, dies
embedding-shape: > His 448-page report released in April 2019 identified substantial contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia but did not allege a criminal conspiracy. Mueller laid out damaging details about Trump’s efforts to seize control of the investigation, and even shut it down, though he declined to decide whether Trump had broken the law, in part because of department policy barring the indictment of a sitting president.It still boggles my mind that Trump was even allowed to run for president again, when he publicly and very evidently did whatever he could to try to stop the investigation of himself. In what world does it serve democracy well to let people like that even be candidates or involved in politics at all?
mpalmer: Your question would seem to be self-answering.
hackyhacky: Donald Trump's reaction, on Truth Social this afternoon, to Mueller's passing:“Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people!” [1]What a great guy.[1] https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1162683345353...
seydor: This is literally against TruthSocial's terms of use. If i was TS, i would suspend his account just to watch him fume.
SecretDreams: Quite the classy take... I believe many people lost their jobs expressing an opinion like this after Charlie Kirk died.
leptons: One guy spent 37 days in jail for posting trump's own words "We have to get over it" (about a school shooting that happened 2 years prior to Kirk's death)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlXBqxOmYhA
bayarearefugee: > In what world does it serve democracy well to let people like that even be candidates or involved in politics at all?You are assuming that Trump's supporters care about the continuation of democracy, which is pretty clearly often not the case.The only person who really had the means to put an end to Trump politically after his first term was Joe Biden, and people should absolutely never forgive him for his failure on that front.
jimkleiber: I think when we say that an executive is the only one to put an end to another executive in power, we overlook how the problem might be that the parties have deadlocked Congress and the legislative branch is one to take power back from the executive branch.
mullingitover: > In what world does it serve democracyIt's a feature.All the richest sociopaths in SV have latched onto the meme that democracy and (their) freedom (to do whatever they want to the lower classes) aren't compatible, and these people bought control of the algorithms that are currently brainwashing anyone within eyeshot of a screen.
davesque: I believe technically this means I'm free to crack a bottle of champagne when Trump dies and incur no negative karma at all!
zmk5: Didn’t he find no connections for Russiagate? Why is he so mad at him?
mulletbum: The investigation produced 37 indictments; seven guilty pleas or convictions; and compelling evidence that the president obstructed justice on multiple occasions. Mueller also uncovered and referred 14 criminal matters to other components of the Department of Justice. Trump associates repeatedly lied to investigators about their contacts with Russians, and President Trump refused to answer questions about his efforts to impede federal proceedings and influence the testimony of witnesses.It absolutely said Trump was connected to Russiagate and very much broke the law, Mueller was forced to shut down the investigation.
cco: You mistook William Barr's partisan "summary" for the conclusion of Mueller's investigation.
spiderfarmer: The full, unredacted report has never been released to the general public.The Trump White House asserted a “protective” claim of executive privilege over the redacted portions and underlying materials, which helped prevent Congress from obtaining the fully unredacted report, though this did not block release of the already‑redacted public version.In other words, the criminals in charge prefer to work in the dark.
zmk5: Yes you are right. I forgot the original report never became public.
k8sToGo: Isn't he rage baiting? Now everyone talks about him again. Perfect for a narcissist.
spiderfarmer: Stop seeking ulterior motives. He's just an evil person.
DiabloD3: Por qué no los dos?
spiderfarmer: Claro
xnx: On the one hand, disgusting behavior for a president.On the other hand, I can see myself feeling something identical were someone else in particular to die.
tombert: Classy. I'm so glad that half of America thought that this tactless felon who can't even speak a complete sentence would make a great president.If this is just ok now, can I say something like "I'm glad Donald Trump was shot. He's a colossal douchebag"?
krapp: It's always morally correct to celebrate the death of evil men.
tombert: Except the only "evil" thing that Mueller did was investigate Trump after he bragged about firing James Comey for investigating a potential Russian interference in the 2016 election.Moreover, I'm not sure it is right for the president to celebrate this; isn't part of the job of a president to be diplomatic? It's one thing when a nobody like me celebrates the death of someone bad, but I'm not the president, no one expects me to be diplomatic, and generally speaking no one actually cares what I think about anything.
tombert: He bragged about trying to stop the investigation! That's why Robert Mueller was appointed the first time. He went on TV and talked about how he fired Comey for even starting the investigation into Russia.
