Discussion
jauco: I generally just search around.Btw: if you are interested in this, note that it often isn’t clear cut where a company is from.For example: https://european-alternatives.eu/product/zitadel bills itself as a swiss company, and it might technically be one, but it looks very much like a general SF startup to me (business address in sf, all investors are US based)
ffo: Zitadel CEO here :-)Zitadel started in Switzerland under the name CAOS AG and has still a lot of its operations in Europe. For our US go to market strategy we incorporated Zitadel Inc. which operates out of SF where I also tend to be.Happy to share more if interested
the_humblest: Satire, right?
jurgenaut23: No, satire would be “benefits of living in the USA”
jauco: Thanks for the clarification! Does the AG still exist?And I think this speaks to my point that it isn’t a simple yes/no question :)
Temporary_31337: Curious about the motivation. The current conflict in Iran once again reminds us of how it;s all intertwined. The blockade of Strait of Hormuz means helium shortages means no chip production, means your EU based alternative is not getting chips so you really don't have an alternative unless you can somehow magically wish a whole fairly alternative supply chain of EU based rare minerals, fabs, nvidias etc
lwansbrough: 1 step at a time until the Americans wake the fuck up
jacekm: I'll use the opportunity to ask what's the cheapest cold storage in the EU? I am looking for an alternative to AWS Glacier Deep Archive.
pentacent_hq: Scaleway has cold storage [1], but Hetzner [2] also has quite cheap storage for stuff like backups.[1] https://www.scaleway.com/en/glacier-cold-storage/ [2] https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box/
rapnie: Switching software [0] which has a repository on Codeberg [1] and an account on the fediverse [2]. It is not focused directly on EU alternatives, but:> switching.software is a grassroots website, that is trying to let people know about ethical and easy-to-use alternatives to well-known websites, apps and other software. It is specifically aimed at a non-technical audience.[0] https://switching.software/[1] https://codeberg.org/swiso/website[2] https://fedifreu.de/@switchingsoftware
tuwtuwtuwtuw: Many people in EU wants to distance themselves wherever possible from US. It's not an all-or-nothing. Of course people will continue to use Nvidia, Netflix and so on, but if there are European options then many people prefer that.
BrunoBernardino: Great point, including the CEO reply. I know it's not simple/easy/binary, which is why having a starting list is incredibly helpful! I also search around a lot in other lists, like awesome privacy [1] and awesome self-hosted [2].[1]: https://github.com/lissy93/awesome-privacy[2]: https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted
valentinconan: I had this website in my bookmarks https://www.goeuropean.org/, but I'm not sure if it's up to date. If that helps...
ffo: It absolutly does https://zefix.ch/en/search/entity/list/firm/1391256 :-)The matter is definitely more complex than yes and no... my general stand has been that jurisdiction matters a lot when you store and process data from customers, like many cloud services do. iIt matters less if you can take a software and self-host it.
nhatcher: I am working on IronCalc[1]. A spreadsheet engine. We are not an alternative yet. As it is not a finished product. But, if we are successful, we should be a good alternative to traditional spreadsheet software.[1] https://wwww.ironcalc.com
ex-aws-dude: Instead of Apache Server I migrated to EuroApache ServerIts similar but slightly less friendly and doesn't require a tip
stronglikedan: Just use whatever works best for you. Why bother wasting brain cells on where it comes from? Seems like extra steps for the sake of it.
bilekas: > Many people in EU wants to distance themselves wherever possible from US.Yes, but only because the trust was broken by the US. For so long the EU was very happy to work with the US with trade, we both benefited.
fsflover: Perhaps a better legal framework for privacy (GDPR)?
fermigier: https://euro-stack.com/ (which I'm personally managing myself), among others.
bilekas: This is really nice, I appreciate anyone who will give more info out about it, I like the categories too, maybe some more tags would be nice for specifics but it's good. I also like you host in the EU too. I've seen some doing similar that were hosted in the AWS US region.
BrunoBernardino: Thanks, didn't know about it, will look into it!
simianwords: This paper is complete nonsense. The specific prompt they used doesn’t specify reasoning effort. Which defaults to none.{ "model": "gpt-5.2-2025-12-11", "instructions": "Is the parentheses string balanced? Answer with only Yes or No.", "input": "((((())))))", "temperature": 0 }> Lower reasoning effortThe reasoning.effort parameter controls how many reasoning tokens the model generates before producing a response. Earlier reasoning models like o3 supported only low, medium, and high: low favored speed and fewer tokens, while high favored more thorough reasoning.Starting with GPT-5.2, the lowest setting is none to provide lower-latency interactions. This is the default setting in GPT-5.2 and newer models. If you need more thinking, slowly increase to medium and experiment with results.With reasoning effort set to none, prompting is important. To improve the model’s reasoning quality, even with the default settings, encourage it to “think” or outline its steps before answering.———————-So in the paper, the model very likely used no reasoning tokens. (Only uses it if you ask for it specifically in prompt). What is the point of such a paper? We already know that reasoning tokens are necessary.
sbkg0002: https://www.eucloudcost.com/providers/
BrunoBernardino: While it's limited to cloud (AWS-related) providers, TIL about this, thanks!
maxdo: here is how MEGA movement started in tech( make europe great again), with Orban in charge :)
BrunoBernardino: Wow, this looks really good at a glance and I will take a good look later, thanks!
momo_dev: for cloud/VPS hosting hetzner has been solid for me. their object storage is S3-compatible and way cheaper than AWS. the only downside is the region options are limited to EU which is actually a feature if you're targeting EU users. for the directory question, euro-stack.com linked above looks more maintained than european-alternatives.eu. i also just search "X alternative EU" whenever i need something specific
BrunoBernardino: Thanks! I'm also a happy Hetzner customer (for 4 or 5 years now?), can vouch for their object and box storage, and cloud VPS. I also already loved learning about euro-stack.com and end up doing the same as you (searching for EU alternative).
the_humblest: PSA, this isn't satire, it's a real site. Take it seriously.
nhatcher: Wrong thread?
simianwords: thank you, apologies
