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ceejayoz: We've been told their air defenses are completely wiped out.Why do we need stealthy cruise missiles now?
phtrivier: To win the war another time, I guess ? To be fair, he told us we would get "tired of winning".On a more serious note : could it be that iranian air defense is being supplemented by an ally ? Someone further east ?Or, simply, that they kept some reserve to keep the war long, and play with the American customer's never ?
java-man: While China is preparing for annexation of Taiwan in 2028.
phtrivier: At some point someone will stop joking that Trump is a "Russian asset" and start assuming that he's paid by Xi to ensure a millenia of Chinese domination.Which would be wrong of course : he's ensuring millenia of Chinese domination, and he's getting paid for it, just not by China.2028 is going to be... Weird. But it will be Rubio or Vance of Heghseig's problem.
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sheikhnbake: Iran has been preparing for this for decades. I wouldn't be surprised if they held a hidden reserve for air defense and let the USAF 'get comfortable' before redeploying
coffinbirth: Do not pay attention to the many war crimes the U.S perpetrates on a daily basis in Iran and elsewhere... LOOK THERE CHINA, CHINA BAD, CHINA BAD, CHINA BAD, [...]
ambicapter: That's not the point of parent comment, at all.
coffinbirth: It is, OP is repeating anti China talking points of the Mainstream Media, pretending that China is a legitimate future military target of the US.
dboreham: I've never heard anyone joke about it. It's an obvious fact of the world we live in.
dboreham: If your enemy loudly proclaims for decades that their strategy is to initially destroy AA capability then roam at will through clear airspace, presumably it doesn't take much imagination to plan to not reveal some proportion of your AA capability initially?
catlikesshrimp: That wording is inflamatory. You meant China and the US might enter in military conflict in a not too distant future.The point of parent is that the US is not considering an intervention in the conflict agaisnt Taiwan. It is doing nothing for Ukraine, either.
tokai: Why make up unsubstantiated claims about Chinese support, when it is known that Russia supports Iran with military hardware?
vkou: Russia's pretty busy with its own war.
coffinbirth: Reminder that the US is responsible for the precision strike murder of at least 175 people including 150 school children[1] and Trump, Hegseth and the entire rest of that criminal administration are still not in prison without the possibility of parole.[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack
buckle8017: Iran converted a military building into a girls school.They likely did this knowing it put the girls in danger.That was the point though, to get a headline.
beached_whale: There is a lesson in Ukraine and Iran being that invading a prepared country isn't easy and takes full commitment. Taiwan is most likely very prepared to defend itself.
jm4: Iran claimed today that they have a new homegrown air defense system in use. I saw another report about a new Chinese system deployed in Iran that was used to hit the F35.Who knows what’s true, but it’s 100% clear that the administration is lying to us and maybe even to themselves. We lost multiple aircraft yesterday. That F15 would likely only be used in situations where we believe we have air superiority. The fact that it was shot down is a big fuck up and suggests the people in charge don’t actually know what they’re up against.
vrganj: This whole war has already been a weird suicide ritual when it comes to American soft power.I guess hard power is next.The American Empire, burnt down by its own Nero/Caligula hybrid, while the population just watches it happen...
yunnpp: TIL: Jiangou.
CrzyLngPwd: Still, the war is very complete, pretty much, according to the most powerful man in charge of the most powerful military...practically every day since day 3.Was there ever a plan or even a goal?So now the US is spending more of its own vital weapons, which will leave Taiwan largely undefended on a war without goals and without end.China must be laughing about.Once all these US weapons have been squandered on an unwinable war with Iran, then China surely must invade Taiwan, as a better opportunity may never present itself.
KellyCriterion: There was a ("propaganda") video by the Iran Forces some weeks ago showing some underground facilites: If even half of it is true shown there, then they have large capacities.
sheikhnbake: Even if they don't, US war planners now have to factor the possibility of hidden AA defenses in their risk calculus moving forward. So no matter what, a win for Iran to some degree
sheikhnbake: > while the population just watches it happen...About 1/5 of America voted for this guy after seeing the trainwreck of his first admin.At the same time, protests response is continually growing and breaking records as economic disparities and totalitarian responses intensify.
DeathArrow: They need them to murder more school children?
3KahaR: Before the war started, they thought they could mobilize the protesters by just whacking some top officials. That failed.Then they thought that they could mobilize the usual proxies like the Kurds against Iran. Unfortunately, the Kurds have been used and dropped multiple times in history already. And they see what happens to a US proxy in Ukraine. So it failed.Now Hegseth has fired the top general and replaced him with a loyalist. Probably the previous general opposed depleting all stock piles for the Führer's great vision.Most likely: After 48 days Trump will declare "mission accomplished", retreat, leave the FUBAR situation in Hormuz to other people and prepare for the next grand excursion in a year or so. While his cronies are selling US oil and gas to the EU morons.
Johanx64: What do you think American Empire is all about if not controlling the oil rich countries in middle east, as well as extremely oil rich countries like Venezuela?The only failing here is that America has decaying, hallowed out industrial base where it can't just cheaply mass produce and replenish hi-end rockets and tech to take care of business-as-usual quickly, because everything down to raw materials is just so expensive.
vrganj: Oil itself is becoming irrelevant quickly. It's a play for becoming king of the ashes.
constantius: Genuine question for Americans: donyou not think that a Democrat today would be leading the same war? We're talking about a party that facilitated, and took part in, 1 year of genocide.In what world could you imagine Israel's planned war against Iran not being automatically supported by whatever US party was in power?
fabian2k: The default US policy tends towards starting wars in the middle east. But even very hawkish previous administrations never started this particular one, for the reasons we're seeing right now. So I strongly doubt a Harris administration would have.You're also ignoring just how far outside the norms Trumps administration is. They're entirely dysfunctional, breaking all kinds of laws and full of unqualified extremist with their own agendas.
prmph: I guess now would be a good time for China to make its move on you-know-who.
adventured: Not just yet, they should wait for a little bit. The US isn't done depleting its inventory yet, the US might get itself in a lot deeper yet, and the US population will only detest the war even more given time. All of those things will help China take Taiwan. If Iran gets ugly enough the US population will just have that much less willingness to get involved in another major conflict. 3-18 months for Taiwan (9-18 more likely; China still needs some prep). There's no scenario where China isn't going to successfully take the island after this. They now know the US isn't at all prepared to stand off with them in coastal Asia. It would take years of surge production to get ready, the US doesn't have years re Taiwan.If China is going in, we'll start to see large signs of that. They'll begin a number of prominent campaigns, including sabotage, propaganda, extremely large supply movements, and so on.
_aavaa_: Looking at all Americans in deceiving. For starters, 1/5 are below the voting age.49.8% of voters voted for this.
ceejayoz: But probably itching to do to the US what the US did to them in Ukraine.(And doing so is likely to reduce US aid to Ukraine, as a bonus to them. Ukraine's certainly not likely to get Tomahawks and Patriots right now.)
vkou: What US aid? Trump's been stonewalling it for them just fine.
duxup: I believe Trump when asked about climate change said something to the effect of "I'll be dead by then."I think that applies most everything he does in a way.
thisislife2: You are being downvoted for stating the truth - you are absolutely right that the Democrats too would have fully supported Israel's attack on Iran. Let us not forget that Biden played a major role in Israel's ongoing genocide in Gaza (and now in West bank) by helping the IDF spread its propaganda hoax that "Hamas beheaded babies", in the western media (Biden lied that he had personally seen the "horrific pictures " - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_baby_beheading_hoax ). Of course, unlike Trump, a Democratic party administration would have resorted to hypocrisy and propaganda that the war was for "democracy", "human rights", "save jews", "fight terrorism" etc. etc. But it would have been much shorter - they would have killed the Iranians leaders too, and struck military targets and then stopped.
Gud: Doubtful.
Gud: Yeah, most people who voted, voted for Trump.
ceejayoz: I said "did to", not "is currently doing to".
librasteve: nam 2.0
Johanx64: Familiarize yourself with this: https://www.worldometers.info/oil/Top reserves by country, historical data on consumption (including by country).These basic data points explain US foreign policy better than anything.There is no data or trends that supports the notion that oil is becoming irrelevant, much less quickly.
swat535: One thing to note, is that Ukraine has received billions of dollars of aid from EU and United States.I'm not sure if the West has that kind of cash to dish out after the current war with IRAN.
cyanydeez: Someone make a plugin that replaces all war equipment headlines with theie costs
nathanaldensr: This is simply not true by most objective metrics... unless you don't like plastic and fertilizer?
OutOfHere: We produce a lot of biofuel from corn which can in principle be converted and used to make some but not all types of plastics.
