Discussion
Demonstrating Real Time AV2 Decoding on Consumer Laptops
modeless: Huh, I didn't know AV2 was out. What are the new features besides (I assume) incremental compression efficiency?
cadamsdotcom: It’s in the first sentence of the article.Back of the class you go.
KAMSPioneer: > AV2 is the next-generation video coding specification from the Alliance for Open Media (AOMedia). Building on the foundation of AV1, AV2 is engineered to provide superior compression efficiency, enabling high-quality video delivery at significantly lower bitrates. It is optimized for the evolving demands of streaming, broadcasting, and real-time video conferencing.> AV2 provides enhanced support for AR/VR applications, split-screen delivery of multiple programs, improved handling of screen content, and an ability to operate over a wider visual quality range.
drob518: Hm. Not a lot of technical details about the bitrate improvement of the streams of the CPU required to decode them. I’m also wondering if all the encoding and decoding was done by software reference implementations (just VLC?) or whether anything had any form of hardware assist? It reads as “We did it” without much other information as to how well it went or what AV2’s benefits are over both AV1 and other codecs and whether those benefits were realized in the demonstration or require downstream work to achieve.
ksec: >Now that the AV2 specification is publicly availableDraft of AV2 spec. Not final. I think they just tagged the AVM 14 release from their research branch. But personally it feels it is no where near final / finish status.
noodlesUK: I think it’s really cool how good the newest video codecs are, but here I am finally able to (only very recently) safely use HEVC and assume that pretty much every end user device has hardware support. It’ll be a while before AV1 reaches that level of adoption and even longer before AV2 does. See you in a few years.
sorenjan: More info about AV2 here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45547537
adrian_b: You, as an individual, might be able to use HEVC "safely", hoping that nobody will come after you.However, during the last few days there have been many news about the owners of the HEVC patents and about the owners of the older H.264 patents making great efforts to extort much more money from the users of HEVC or of H.264.This has made recently some big vendors of computers to disable the hardware HEVC codecs in the computers that they are selling.At least the H.264 patents have already expired in all countries, except in less than a handful of countries, including USA, so the use of H.264 is safe wherever the patents are no longer valid.On the other hand, for HEVC the patents will remain valid for many years, so using it will not be safe even for those who pay royalties, as the royalties may be increased at any time, as shown by the recent history.Therefore it is wise to avoid HEVC (and its VVC successor) and prefer alternative codecs.
adrian_b: In TFA, there are links to the complete specification of AV2 and to the reference software implementation, which was used in the test.https://gitlab.com/AOMediaCodec/avm/-/tree/research-v13.0.0/...TFA says that the test was done on an Apple laptop and the decoding was done on the CPU, so not using any special hardware support.The reference AV2 implementation uses architecture-specific SIMD instructions on x86-64, Aarch64 and IBM POWER.So in this test it has used the ARM vector ISA (Neon), written with intrinsics in the C language, as it can be seen in the source files:https://gitlab.com/AOMediaCodec/avm/-/tree/research-v13.0.0/...
mosaibah: this is a reference decoder, not an optimized one. AV1's reference decoder couldn't do real-time on consumer hardware either, dav1d is what made it practical, and that took years after the spec. The real question is when something like dav1d-for-AV2 shows up, and whether hardware decode blocks land in the next silicon generation, until then this is a proof of spec correctness, not a deployment signal
