Discussion
Atuin v18.13 – better search, a PTY proxy, and AI for your shell
GardenLetter27: Atuin is great. This, fish, LazyGit, and zellij are mandatory for me now.
rahimnathwani: Atuin AI sounds like a useful addition. The page suggests they're probably using hosted models: We use the latest frontier models, which already do a good job of generating commands using well-known binaries and CLIs. On top of that, we integrate a dataset powered by man pages and command outputs to ensure you get the correct command first. This is great, but does it mean we'll need to log in somehow? It doesn't seem reasonable to expect the project maintainers to pay for the tokens.
embedding-shape: This part:> On top of that, we integrate a dataset powered by man pages and command outputs to ensure you get the correct command first.Also makes it sound like they're "providing that dataset", rather than generating that from the users computer. Wouldn't that mean it's potentially a mismatch between various versions of the software available? Not to mention some OSes will have a different version of some software available compared to others, how does it deal with those situations if they're shipping a dataset?
_ache_: There is no way is it not generated on user computer."get the correct command first" and "shipping a [external] dataset" are incompatible.
lta: Why does every tool on the face of earth try to add AI features ? Good tools are simple and orthogonal. If you want AI, there's already plenty of other tools doing it probably better.I'm overall fairly disappointed by this announcement. This IMHO doesn't bode well
dc_giant: Hmm might be great for some. I’m a Unix philosophy guy, one tool for one job. So far atuin was fine to be a better search history. Now it might be time to look for simpler alternative. Any suggestions? (I’m on zsh)
mpalmer: I was already turned off by their decision to remove support for fzf, which I use everywhere else. I'm done.
ellieh: I’m not sure what you mean here - we never supported fzf, other than a super early prototype in like 2021This release actually adds support for nucleo, which matches with the same algorithm as fzf and was a common request
colesantiago: As soon as a tool adds pricing, price increases or adds AI that's when it begins to be enshittified.Why does this happen mostly?
justech: I tried atuin and then switched back to fzf[0]. It's less features but that's not necessarily a negative.[0]https://github.com/junegunn/fzf
duskdozer: I was really pleased finding this last year, but I guess it's time to look for an alternative. I don't get why everything has to have AI shoved into it
evandrofisico: Yep, out of precaution i've never used their sync infrastructure, which I guess was reasonably cheap to run, but the moment you add LLMs to the mix it is obvious that they are in for the free VC money and are soon going to need a lot of investment to keep the lights on.
h4ch1: what does zellij offer that tmux doesn't?I love tmux and haven't had a reason to switch for a while, but have heard these new Rust based terminal tooling get really popular.
evandrofisico: About the "ai", the announcement is very vague. Is this incorporating a local model on device, something running on your infrastructure or a third party model like Claude? Because to me nowadays adding AI on anything usually means higher running costs equals sooner or latter enshittification.
arcadianalpaca: Right, though looking at the release notes it seems like the AI part at least is opt-in... for now.
Bnjoroge: It’s fine - I like the introduction of AI. It’s optional - if you don’t want it, turn it off or don’t use it
Bnjoroge: It’s optional- you can choose to opt in or not.
mpalmer: Hey, thanks for responding. I guess I used the prototype then. Definitely don't remember anyone saying "this is a prototype" at the time, so I took the product at face value, and part of the reason I chose it was the fzf support.I'm sure I recall some unhappy GitHub issues about the shift away...And the algorithm isn't the value prop for me, not by a long shot. fzf's customizability takes the cake. And now the overall product is way too big and feature-ful for me. I want simple, unix-y software that clicks together like Lego.You should be proud of the project's success for sure, it's just not for me!
duskdozer: For now. But looking at the repo, they're already having commits done by claude.
