Discussion
internet2000: I hope I can get a cheap one on Craigslist eventually, just for the novelty. It looks so cool.
brailsafe: Pour one out for John Siracusa
sgerenser: I guess not enough people bought the shirt: https://cottonbureau.com/p/4RUVDA/shirt/mac-pro-believe-dark...
dangus: > Serviceable, repairable, upgradable Macs are officially a thing of the past.Well, not exactly. Apple’s desktop Macs actually all have modular SSD storage, and third parties sell upgrade kits. And it’s not like Thunderbolt is a slouch as far as expandability.I can see why the Mac Pro is gone. Yeah, it has PCIe slots…that I don’t really think anyone is using. It’s not like you can drop an RTX 5090 in there.The latest Mac Pro didn’t have upgradable memory so it wasn’t much different than a Mac Studio with a bunch of empty space inside.The Mac Studio is very obviously a better buy for someone looking for a system like that. It’s just hard to imagine who the Mac Pro is for at its pricing and size.I think what happened is that the Studio totally cannibalized Mac Pro sales.
bigyabai: > Apple’s desktop Macs actually all have modular SSD storage"Modular" does not mean that it's serviceable, repairable or upgradable. Apple's refusal to adopt basic M.2 spec is a pretty glaring example of that.
internet2000: > Apple's refusal to adopt basic M.2 specI get the ideological angle, but in practical terms that's not a barrier: https://www.aliexpress.us/w/wholesale-apple-ssd-adapter.html...
bigyabai: This is the USB-C dongle argument all over again, but with a proprietary connector that a total of one (1) company uses.
IFC_LLC: I think that's an expected thing.G5 was the thing. And companies were buying G5 and other macs like that all the time, because you were able to actually extend it with video cards and some special equipment.But now we have M chips. You don't need video for M chips. You kinda do, but truthfully, it's cheaper to buy a beefier Mac than to install a video card.Pro was a great thing for designers and video editors, those freaks who need to color-calibrate monitors. And right now even mini works just fine for that.And as for extensions - gone are the days of PCIe. Audio cards and other specialized equipment works and lives just fine on USB-C and Thunderbolt.I remember how many months I've spent trying to make Creative Labs Sound Blaster to work on my 486 computer. At that time you had to have a card to extend your system. Right now I'm using Scarlett 2i2 from Focusrite. It works over USB-C with my iPhone, iPad and Mac. DJIs mics work just as good.Damn, you can buy Oscilloscope that works over USB-C or network.It's not the Mac's or Apple's fault. We are actually live in the age where systems are quite independent and do not require direct installations.
longislandguido: Apple betrayed their pro customers years ago—right around the time they went to version X of the Pro apps—it's all been a slow death by a thousand paper cuts since then.The money's all in selling phones to teen girls now, and taking their mafia cut of app store sales.
spot: yea and put a real modern pc inside
