Discussion

I Am Not a Number

throwaw12: Thanks for creating this, sad state of the world we live in.I see babies there who have seen this world for less than a day!I know they don't see things well at that stage, their eyes haven't evolved yet, BUT they weren't given an opportunity to see it!!!Can't express myself anymore

shalom111: Less than 6 millions Jews, these Palestinian "people" don't matter. Shalom.

yanhangyhy: its ironic that Israel becomes the new Nazi

gambiting: That number is absolutely staggering, and the fact that at least 20,000 of these are children is literally making me sick every time I think about it.To Israelis who think this is justified because your country was attacked - for every person killed in the initial attacks, your military has killed 20 children(and many more adults). And that's the ones that were outright killed, and not "just" had their limbs torn off and given lifelong disabilities. How is that proportionate, fair or in any way justifiable?

CommanderData: Clearly your an absolute anti-semite for having any empathy for Palestinians (who are Semities themselves).

rdevilla: Unsure why this comment merely copy pasting the summary of TFA is voted dead [0]. Perhaps this is how low the bar for "antisemitism" has fallen these days? Or is vote manipulation taking HN in the direction of /. and reddit? austin-cheney 6 minutes ago [dead] [–] This visual shows the names of 60,199 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces in Gaza from 7 Oct 2023 to 31 Jul 2025. This staggering figure includes only those whose names and ages could be identified by the Ministry of Health in Gaza up to that date. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47612082

qoez: To me it just sounds like a bot comment which is against HN rules.

rdevilla: I assure you that is not a bot account.

madteacher: The higher on the scale the people, the younger they are. This is depressing and completely unnecessary, this is cruel and still ongoing with the recent incursion in Lebanon.It's insane that so many innocent people continue to die and Tsahal continues to justify their invasion and the death of these people. Heartbreaking.

4gotunameagain: This will get flagged again, like all the posts before it criticising the abhorrent actions of Israel.The stranglehold of zionists in silicon valley and the US is crazy.

metalman: Murdered, intentionaly ,by a zionist genocidal terrorist state.

JohnnyLarue: Experts agree that this number is a vast, vast undercount.

4gotunameagain: @dang: Allowing the mass flagging of posts like that makes ycombinator complicit.

PurpleRamen: White text on a mostly white background is not really a good choice, especially if you want to communicate something important.Kinda unrelated, but are any good sources for deaths in that whole conflict before the 7th October, including other areas? Throwing around that number does have some impact, but does not tell the whole picture and is often dismissed as being "just" a reaction to the attack on 7th October.

throwaw12: @dang, please make sure this wont get flagged.This might not be 100% technical content, but the work, visualizations are technical.So many people upvoted because they have empathy to both types of content, and downvotes to this type of content comes most of the time from bots controlled by IDF

blackoil: Political content is acceptable as long it is negative about certain countries, this isn't about one of them.

oa335: The next step could be to attempt to link as many of these as possible to a news article describing the Israeli actions that led to their death, and/or stories about their lives. Obviously it will be hard to attribute most of them, but I think even hundreds of accounts would be powerful.

mxmilkiib: but people copy and paste pertinent info from articles all the time and have done for many many years, so why would you think it's a hard and fast sign of bot activity

yonatan06: 72000 killed, 21000 are under the age of 18 Many of them are teenagers sent by Hamas to battleYou can critic Israel, and sometime rightfully so, but this website is just a lie as a beautifully built websitehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war

ipsin: It really is an indictment of this site that any mention of the genocide in Gaza is flagged almost instantly.

vincnetas: irony is too week a word for for this situation...

yanhangyhy: yeah..

Ardren: Gone in 25 minutes with 180 votes.The murder of 72,000 people is just too political.

falcor84: I'm not looking to defend Israel's actions or to take a political stance here, but just wanted to ask about the proportionality/fairness argument - to the best of my knowledge, a proportionality between casualties on the two sides is not an expectation of any rules of war, and I don't recall ever seeing it applied to other conflicts.

LightBug1: What a great, and tragic, visualisation ... really brings it home.EDIT: and pathetic that it's immediately been flagged by the usual wankers.

bilalbayram: These are the ones that we know the names of, there is at least this much of more people that we are not even aware

birdsongs: > but this website is just a lieWhat's the lie?

anilakar: While I absolutely despise what Israel is doing in Lebanon and Iran, it's hard to blame anyone but Hamas for the Gaza casualties.If you have no more free territory to fight on, you have lost. Give up.

yusufusta: Why did this get flagged?

birdsongs: Unsurprising, but we know why. :(HN is not unbiased, and not above censorship. Political things make it to the front page all the time, but this is the wrong kind of political thing. We're not supposed to talk about ----cides, at least, this ongoing one.

benterix: Which countries? Negative submissions about China and Russia get flagged near-instantly. Frequently also about the USA. People don't like a topic - they flag it.

madteacher: Right, especially 8 and 10 year old that are Hamas operatives. Get a grip on reality and realise that killing that many people is not the right approach to the situation and is an unnecessary loss of life. wtf dude.

PurpleRamen: They are not, and it's not helping the message to spread this wrong picture.Nazis had a dedicated machinery, based on crude racism and conspiracy ideology, which was actively seeking and executing their genocide. Israels lunatics lack this, their aim is stealing land, and the mass killings are just a side effect of their religious bullshit.Not understanding this difference derails the communication about this problem.

rdevilla: Too late, it's been flagged. HN is reddit-tier now in terms of community downvoting, flagging, and astroturfing. About to go the way of /.[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47577076[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47571182[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47571396

birdsongs: Fuck. I guess it was just a matter of time before the algos and farms got pointed here.

gambiting: That is correct, but every war should have an end at some point. To maybe ask this in a different way - how many more palestinian children have to die for the Israeli government to say "ok yeah we're done now". What is that number going to be? 20k? 100k? Every single one of them? Their stated objective is to eliminate th Hamas militants, but on the path to that goal the truly astounding civilian cost cannot justify the end, can it? Or if someone thinks it can, I'd ask - really? Surely there is a number between 0 and "every single person in Gaza" that would cause even the most hardened supporter of Israel to stop for a second?(although maybe not, given that there are Israeli politicians saying everyone above the age of 5 in gaza should be cut down, so maybe I'm too optimistic).

birdsongs: I'll give it time, perhaps the post was auto flagged from bots and mods can correct for it. Because political content is often here, and this is also a tech project as well.If it stays removed this is probably my last interaction on HN.It's just blatant censorship. There's not even any real political message here. It's just a fucking memorial for the tens of thousands of children (and tens of thousands of adults) that were killed, that someone coded up.

Zealotux: There's a large amount of people flagging that specific topic and viewpoint, it's a regular thing on HN, I'm not surprised at all.

hk__2: There’s nothing technically interesting here.

hk__2: > There's not even any real political message here.Of course there is, it’s right there in the title of the website. Even making a website to remember these deaths and not other ones is a political choice.

Zealotux: What about the whole colonialism, forced displacement, and daily humiliation the Palestinians have been enduring since 1948?If someone came to your country and did that, how radical would you be?

lejalv: This got flagged because genocide is too lowly a concern for the high, pure souls of HN.Look, look sideways... until you break your neck.

haght: who are those experts that you are referring to? as much as i hate Israel, they are a civilised western country, who does not commit genocides for the sake of it. there are undeniably civilian casualties, but that is hard to avoid when hamas are known to station military in schools, hospitals etc. you could argue that Israel should not strike such targets, but i think that it is not strange to prioritise your own people.

sethammons: Nothing? At all? The visual is not technology and not interesting?

orwin: Yes, agree. Nazi are typical fascists. Apartheid regimes might look fascistic at first glance, but they do not fill all the Umberto Eco criteria, or, if I go deeper (and imho to a more universal way to detect fascism), they do not have the same mythos as fascists, in particular those needs to point to internal enemies, 'traitors' if you will, that apartheid state don't (the discriminated population are not considered traitors, merely inferior). While some mediatic Zionists are fascist or at least have huge fascistic tendancy for sure (calling someone 'self-hating Jew' is to me a sign), the state isn't.

austin-cheney: If any of that were true why does Israel forbid foreign journalists from reporting facts on the ground? Why did they kill more journalists than all prior conflicts in human history?

joeldrapper: They’re in age order and age 15 starts at about a quarter of the way down.Shame on the flaggers.

manyaoman: Someone should create and post this kind of a website about Iran's protester deaths and see if it gets flagged too.

manyaoman: > Of course there is, it’s right there in the title of the website.What's political about the title?> Even making a website to remember these deaths and not other ones is a political choice.Or maybe they realized the other ones are already covered: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38083001

kraf: Sources can be found here. I was actually surprised myself how damning this looks.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_warhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

pawkaman84: It got flagged, because there is no genocide by Israel. There is only barbaric war tactics by the Palestine government in which civilians are used as a living shield. If the post was just about remembering lives there'll be no problems. But the overt push of the Hamas propaganda of a genocide is what gets the post flagged.

pawkaman84: Too bad they were used as civilian shield by their "government".

blks: All military criminals love this excuse. Russia says this all the time, together with “it was self-inflicted”.

jacquesm: We don't do politics. We just do 'curious conversation'. /s

jacquesm: Uncomfortable truths.

haght: what is the source for your journalist claim?also, i repeat, i hate Israel, but look at it from their point of view.any coverage of the conflict looks bad for israel, because they are the strong side here. it is plain simple, that people always side with the weak in most cases. so imagine, a journalist enters gaza, sees how everything is destroyed, how poor the people look. of course your avarage joe will see this think that it is bad. and it doesn't matter that hamas is basically behind all this. and that nothing would have happened if hamas didn't attack israel. and hamas know all of this, so they station people and ammunition at schools and hospitals, because its a win-win. If israel doesn't strike, than good and they have ammunition, and if israel does strike, than also good, because media will see it, and scream how bad is israel. See how human cost doesn't matter here? Israel prioritises its own people, so hamas should do the same, and stop putting civilians in danger. Remember, hamas started it by attacking israel, and did not finish it when they had the chance. Everything could have finished much and much faster, if they just released the hostages.you can see the same thing with ukraine. At first, ukraine appeared weak, so everyone was siding with it. but now, when ukraine shows that they are strong, people on the internet look horrified how russian soldiers are annihilated with fpv drones and scream about how such things are war crimes and should be stopped.

austin-cheney: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_journalists_in_the_...https://www.ifj.org/war-in-gaza

blks: That number is just recovered dead bodies. There are people in the rubbles, still, there are people who died or will die from accompanying factors - such as mass evacuation, living for years in a horrible camp, hunger, diseases, destruction of hospitals and infrastructure that otherwise would kept those people alive.And Israel definitely conducts very questionable actions, similar to genocide, such as withholding any humanitarian aid for months, and them distributing it only through one controlled organisation, that distributed it in just a few spots, with machine guns pointed at people. Thats one of the main reasons Netanyahu is wanted by ICC.This is all not mentioning actions in the West Bank, where settlers with army support drive people away from their homes, destroy and take over the land. This is not what a “civilised” nation does.