Discussion

Am I Germanor Autistic?

croemer: Only 31% German despite being German. Maybe I'm not German after all.

sdevonoes: Regarding punctuality I miss the option: “A moral obligation from my side, but I don’t care if others arrive late to an appointment with me”

flohofwoe: Same here, 27%, I am disappoint (although maybe the test doesn't account for East-German-ness)

gwbas1c: Honestly, I really want to know what the German options are and the autistic options are.

gostsamo: YOUR RESULTBothThe Wittgenstein ResultGERMAN 49%AUTISTIC 40%Been once to Germany, maybe twice. Can't vouch the other.

tosie: I feel you ... only got 44%.

codeduck: German but probably not autistic. I shall go and celebrate with some Dunkerbier.

PunchyHamster: Didn't suspect getting both is an option

mdotmertens: I can verify this. I am autistic and german. The tests also said I am both.

sigmoid10: I am neither, yet the test said I'm both. I guess I need to go to the embassy and start collecting free healthcare benefits for my diagnosis.

ExpertAdvisor01: You have to wait 9 months for an appointment with a specialist for your diagnosis.

sersi: Having lived in Germany and experienced the wonderful Deutche Bahn, I wouldn't really associate punctuality with being German.

ramesh31: >"Having lived in Germany and experienced the wonderful Deutche Bahn, I wouldn't really associate punctuality with being German."This is relative. In Germany, people complain when the train is late. Everywhere else, the train is just late.

injidup: The test doesn't follow the correct procedures for diagnosing autism and after a thorough reading of the DSM-5-TR I could find no mention of German a mental illness being and I challenge anyone to me wrong prove.

ramesh31: Am I the only one who got "neither"?

blitzar: I am 40% German, 40% Autistic.Will be gone a while while I look for the other 20%.

Mick-Jogger: I fully agree with this sentiment. I set a high standard for my punctuality but I don't care if you're late. I just silently judge you.

eigenspace: "I don't care if you're late" versus "I just silently judge you".Which one is it?

Mick-Jogger: I don't show you that I care would probably be more accurate.

thi2: 60% german, 40% autistic. Seems fair since I'm german and work in IT. The rules question did not have an answer I liked tho.

GTP: I am currently living abroad, but I come from northern Italy. Rest assured that we complain a lot about our trains being late.

ffsm8: As another German dev, i'm the other way around

danhau: Austrian here. I scored 40 and 51, giving me a „Both“.> The Wittgenstein Result … Wittgenstein was Austrian, which is close enough.Clearly I should have scored 100.

Zababa: This is not true, people complain a lot in France when the trains are late.

sersi: I mean I've regularly seen trains in germany arriving AFTER the next train. Statistically they are worse than pretty much any european country.And outside of trains, my german friends run the gamut of being always on time to systematically being 30 minutes late. Don't really see much of a correlation between being German and punctual.Japan on the other hand I do associate with punctuality, when I worked there I was made to sit in the seiza postion for the m9rniny meeting if I was late by even 3 minutes. My friends there were overwhelmingly ontime except (and proving my point) for a German coworker I had there :)

charles_f: "A moral obligation from my side, but I prefer if others don't come to an appointment with me"

eigenspace: More like "31% German according to stereotypes about Germans formed by some random foreigner who read some 19th century German philosophy texts"

arkensaw: > In Germany, people complain when the train is late. Everywhere else, the train is just late.You think people don't complain when the train is late in other countries? That's hardly a uniquely German thing

bena: They explain it on the site, the two percentages are independent.You are 60% non-German and 60% non-Autistic.

tonyedgecombe: [delayed]

kykat: It's obvious Claude slop, a stupid meme for people who want to think they are special

m_w_: Die tests must be 100% accurate and follow the best known clinical procedures. Humor is not optimal.

arkensaw: I am German, not autistic.This confuses me as I have never been to Germany and do not speak German.But rules are rules.

unkeen: Yeah, we all know that. Could it be that you're German or autistic?

SvenL: The Deutsche Bahn rather cancel trains completely instead of them being late - which also says something.

chironjit: This. Put another way, if it's harder to solve the problem than the statistic, then change the statistics.Obvious in many ways once you've lived there

tokai: Most of the German stereotypes are not just untrue, reality is actually the opposite. Germans are not efficient as an example, they love layers of formality and documentation for its own shake at the cost of getting stuff done.

ekr: Sometimes, the Deutsche Bahn is so late, that it's early. Wrapping around. The previous train in the schedule sometimes was so late, that it was just a bit before the next one was supposed to depart. So the next one is cancelled or delayed. I experienced this a few times. But with the cheap Deutschland Ticket, I couldn't really complain at the time. Tho, Arnhem to Hamburg, even 8h late, was not the most enjoyable of experiences.

yoz-y: To me it lacks the option “moral obligation but only hold accountable people who live alone”

ekr: Why? Bathroom queues or things like that? I live alone but am almost always late. A few weeks ago I was late to the airport for a flight by a couple of hours. Yesterday I was late to work, I was commuting by car when an officer thought of stopping me and do some checks for around 10-15 minutes. It does feel like I'm cursed or something. It happens way too often, but almost always feels as if it's completely outside my control.For instance (and maybe this is embarrassing ...), I was late to the airport because the day before I went a bit later to bed than planned, so I overslept my alarm a bit, but still had plenty of breathing room. So I proceed, with the car. As it happens, I live in a country, let's say NL, and the airport was in BE. It also happens that fuel is significantly cheaper in BE than in NL (over 25% cheaper at the time). I'm also quite precise about fuel consumption.As it happens, speed limit in NL is 100km/h during the day, but 130 during the night. I was still well within the high speed section during those very early moments of dawn. But I normally only ride my car during the day. So I know intimately how much fuel I'm using. So I calculate things ,with a lot of safety margins, to optimize fueling costs, by reaching BE with not a lot of fuel. However, as I was a bit underslept. Normally I know exactly how many km I can do after the low fuel indicator comes on. I of course anticipated this would be lower at 130/h rather than 100/h, but somehow, my calculations were a bit off. I ran out of fuel on the highway, well inside BE, but some 2km short of the gas station.Not the best of times, as you can imagine. I was starting to panic a bit, thinking of eventual costs, I don't know the exact law in BE, if I have to pay someone to tow me, it would cost probably hundreds of time more than the potential savings. But somehow, the place where the car stopped was in a location under a bridge, where I could actually get off the emergency lane, so in a very protected spot. Must have been 5AM at the time, I proceed to walk towards the first exit, grabbing a plastic bottle from the ground. After about 800m i manage to get off the highway, to that first settlement, and not long after, a very nice gentlemen takes me to the gas station. I discovered, stupefied, that the station only sells truck diesel. I walk a few minutes to the next one. Same story. I keep walking until I finally find one selling petrol, and a very nice lady, after explaining her my situation, agrees to take me to my car on the highway, which was 1-2km away. I do pay her for her trouble.Now, this whole incident only took about an hour, so I'm still sort of on track. But now it's starting to be early morning, and some of the worst traffic jams I've encountered. Basically the trip takes over 90 minutes more than originally estimated. I buy another plane ticket for another plane later that day and still end up not that badly, but ... yeah.

doubled112: Could you leave earlier to account for the things that feel outside of your control?

Imustaskforhelp: I agree but the thing is, how does one decide for the time that it might take for things which are outside of control, by definition, I am not sure of how long it might take.And also, if we have a very long margin of time, then does the 0.01% you might be late somewhere really justify something like this.Obviously it depends on the context, but personally, things just happen in life and its hard to take into factor how many things are and are not in my control.

eigenspace: People love to parrot this, but it's not true and makes no sense for them to try and game the system this way. The mandatory compensation and bad press from cancelled trains is way more costly on them than having poor punctuality statistics.The reason that a late train can sometimes be cancelled is to try and stop a cascade of delays from happening. Tracks only have so much capacity, and if train gets delayed into a time-frame that is highly congested, trying to fit the delayed train into that time-frame will result in delaying other trains, which could then cause further problems down the lines and throw the entire network out of order.They accept a certain number of cascading delays like this, but sometimes it's just known that a certain delayed train will just be too disruptive to the network, so they're forced to just cancel a train to try and save the network's stability.

lo_zamoyski: It's also not as clean as the stereotypes would suggest.

fusslo: There's a quote in the Count of Monte Cristo where Edmond explains punctuality something to the effect:> Being early to an appointment is as rude as being late because you may be disturbing your host before they've taken all the efforts they require before your arrival( VERY rough quote, the english translation is 100x more eloquent than my half-remembered version )Edmond Dantès arrives exactly as the clock strikes the minute of his appointment no later and no earlier. I remember reading that when I was ~16 and it always seemed to make sense to me

blensor: 58% German / 27% AutisticAs an Austrian I am not sure how to feel about that

masswerk: As a Viennese, I missed appropriate options, like rules and their mutual negotiability by lateral maneuvers (AKA dissimulation) and a general sense for disgruntledness. Moreover, smalltalk as the core of any negotiations (which should be understood more as mundane paperwork) isn't even mentioned! Now, I do need some coffee, for real. ;-)

marstall: I got 20% autistic, 80% Irish?

lgeorget: I'm also neither. But I'm also very good at lying to myself, so who knows? (not me)

skeltoac: TLDR but guessing from the length of your comment, it really is about respecting other people‘s time

iammjm: "Free" is in fact about 300€/month. And this does NOT include dentist's appointments

ExpertAdvisor01: It's about 1.2k euro if you earn over 69k

storus: Yeah, over 1200EUR when freelancing. More expensive than in the US lol. "Free German Healthcare"

ExpertAdvisor01: It's the same for salaries employees. It's just the cost is split between employee and employer. So you still pay 1.2k from your real gross salary .

marcusverus: [delayed]

pwdisswordfishy: So ist der Geist!

vlowther: Pretty sure it is sexually transmissible, so I would not be too sure about that.

abdusco: Anzeige raus!

21asdffdsa12: Stakkenblokken! The correct procedure shall be enforced, no matter how detrimental to the outcomes!

movpasd: Frustratingly, many of the questions have multiple answers that can apply simultaneously! (You may like to guess my result.)

dxdm: Alas, the tendency to overgeneralize from isolated samples over whole populations is universally human.

shermantanktop: [delayed]

eigenspace: Always a helpful and productive approach to solving interpersonal problems.

shermantanktop: Me caring doesn’t need to be a problem for others. Should we all shout about our minor preferences and gripes all the time?There are people like that, and they are exhausting. It’s essentially a selfish use of a communal good, which is the shared environment.There’s a limit to silent annoyance, of course. But my officemate noisily ate a smelly egg breakfast every day and I just bided my time until I could move.

finaard: As a German, after encountering Russian bureaucracy once, I commented to my wife that the main difference between Russian and German bureaucracy is that in Russia at least you can pay your way out.

juancn: Posting my result here in case you want to see the different results without redoing the test: German 47% - Autistic 47% Wittgenstein was Austrian, which is close enough. He was also, by most accounts, someone whose relationship to social convention was at best functional and at worst a source of significant suffering to himself and everyone around him. He rewrote philosophy twice. The first time by establishing what could be said with precision. The second time by dismantling the assumption that precision was the right goal in the first place. Both versions emerged from the same source: an absolute refusal to accept confusion as a resting state. You have, apparently, both the cultural formation that produces systematic people and the neurological substrate that makes systematic thinking feel like breathing. This is either a significant advantage or an explanation for certain recurring difficulties in your life. Probably both. Schopenhauer also fits here. So does Ramanujan, though he wasn't German. The category isn't German or autistic — it's people for whom the gap between how things are and how they ought to be is not an abstraction but a constant, low-grade irritation. Share blurb: I took the German or Autistic diagnostic. Result: Both. The Wittgenstein Result. I don't know whether to be proud or concerned. https://german.millermanschool.com/

ludicrousdispla: I got "the Wittgenstein result", which I guess makes sense as I used to live down the street from his childhood home.

joenot443: I think it's just a funny joke, I found myself chuckling.

finaard: Unless I care about the meeting it gives me an easy way out. More than 5 minutes late in that case is "let's try it again another time"

weinzierl: I guess the Brazilian take on this would be:"Being on time is rude because you may be disturbing your host before they’ve made all the preparations they need before your arrival. Being early would be an outrageous offense."It always amazes me how Brazilians and Germans can be so different when it comes to punctuality and yet so similar when it comes to their love of bureaucracy (and devotion to soccer, for that matter).

dkga: In the Brazilian case, it is not so much "love of bureaucracy" but rather "bureaucracy as a protection against private capture of public goods and services".

sniderthanyou: 56/31. I'm really unsatisfied with the choices for Question 15, "The real problem with the world is...". None of them seem to capture "not everyone is playing by the same rules"

giacomoforte: Having lived in Germany, the strongest cultural conflict I felt was inflexibility of plans.The German way is to plan something very meticulously and the to follow through with the plan no matter what.I am however of the persuasion of not planning too much beforehand especially when the input is lacking. But also to be flexible and reactive during execution.

dickiedyce: My dearest childhood friend is half Italian, allegedly.However, his woeful time-keeping is so poor that we began to suspect that he was indeed simply from another planet... with a longer day.

KptMarchewa: It depends. If I invite you to my house, I don't really care unless you're too early or _very_ late.If we are to meet in public - like restaurant - I don't want to awkwardly wait 15 minutes or more. At the very least, early notice is an obligation.

embedding-shape: Sometimes you're born in the "wrong country". My life was essentially a mess until I moved across the continent to a country that much better follows what I personally want out of life, then suddenly a bunch of seemingly unrelated issues just solved themselves.

tayo42: What country? I feel like moving never solves personal problems, surpsing to hear it did for me someone

gunapologist99: Texas

croemer: Based on your username I assume you moved to Texas rather than from there. Correct?

MetalSnake: he is not op.

WA: Question 9 imho is the most German one ("When someone says 'we should get coffee sometime,' you understand this to mean:").It depends on context a bit obviously, but most Germans are sincere about it. You either propose coffee or you don't.However, there's a subset of Germans who seem to propose coffee and then don't follow up themselves, but it's not just a phrase. If you are the one to follow up, they'd join you. Which, to say the least, is annoying, too.From my German perspective, asking someone for grabbing coffee sometime and not meaning it is a completely stupid thing to say. Why would you suggest it? Why should the other person have to decode this as a "nice thing to say but not meant literally" if you could say a hundred other things that could be meant literally and are still nice, like "see you around" or something like that?

anticorporate: That was the one I struggled the most with.I generally mean social invitations sincerely, and expect that other people do too, but also my social anxiety leaves me somewhat relieved if we don't follow through.

warpspin: Secret Piefke :-)

abcde666777: It's the whims of emotion - in the moment a person says it it can be quite sincere, as that's their genuine mood in that instance, but later on the mood passes and the effort involved in arranging something outweighs the desire.In that sense it does communicate something: I like and have enjoyed your company in this moment.Flippant of course, but not too dastardly.

7bit: Maybe Germans are emotionally more stable to know that the statement will hold true in the future, when they say it now.

chronogram: I got the very same 47/47. What if it's always giving that?

whynotmaybe: It's not, I'm 36/44.

dim13: Neither Somehow.German 29%, Autistic 22%¯\_(ツ)_/¯